RandyForRubio
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Yes OB, I know.
I just enjoy Thriller acting like he’s the fair, balanced, non-partisan individual he thinks he is.
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Yes OB, I know.
I just enjoy Thriller acting like he’s the fair, balanced, non-partisan individual he thinks he is.
RandyForRubio
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The level of self awareness is shockingly low on this individual.
Red
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Donald Trump and the war on men. Note that Trump is deliberately attempting to widen cultural, racial, and gender schisms. This is simply a reprehensible thing for any president to do to his country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/02/donald-trump-and-the-war-on-men/
As the Brett M. Kavanaugh affair drags on, President Trump was asked Tuesday afternoon by a reporter if he has a message for “young men in America.” Trump said this:
"It’s a very scary time for young men in America, when you may be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of. This is a very difficult time. What’s happening here has much more to do than even the appointment of a Supreme Court justice. It really does. You could be somebody that was perfect your entire life, and somebody could accuse you of something … and you’re automatically guilty. But in this realm, you are truly guilty until proven innocent. That’s one of the very, very bad things that’s taking place right now."
Put aside for now the absurd idea that Trump is motivated by any vision of moral desert of any kind. Also put aside the fact, as Eric Levitz has pointed out, that Trump has no discernible worry about how our criminal-justice system dispenses profoundly unjust sentences and punishments to countless “young men in America,” many of whom are of course minorities. What’s remarkable about this is how perfectly pitched this is to Trump’s obviously intended audience — that is, his blue-collar white male base.
This week’s Quinnipiac poll shows how likely it is that these comments will resonate positively with that intended audience. The poll finds that a plurality of Americans opposes the confirmation of Kavanaugh, and believes Christine Blasey Ford is more to be believed than Kavanaugh is. But we obtained an additional breakdown of these numbers from Quinnipiac, and it shows that support and sympathy for Kavanaugh is simply overwhelming among one particular demographic more than any other — that is, non-college-educated white men. The numbers:
The reason I bring this up is to add to Ron Brownstein’s new piece, which argues that perceptions of the Kavanaugh affair are deeply shaped not just by the gender divided, but by the class divide as well. Brownstein’s is more focused on how this is playing out among women. He notes that college-educated white women are far more likely to sympathize with Ford than non-college-educated white women are. This is part of a broader pattern in which the Trump era has driven a heavy backlash among educated white women who have tended to tilt Republican, giving Democrats an opening to lock in big gains among that demographic.
But the flip side of this is that the cultural, racial and gender schisms that Trump is very consciously trying to widen, through deliberate provocations of one kind or another, may only be deepening his bond with non-college-educated white men. When Trump presents Kavanaugh as the true victim in this situation, and when he sweepingly declares that the moral of the Kavanaugh story is that men across America are in great danger of unfair persecution, he seems to know exactly what he’s doing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/02/donald-trump-and-the-war-on-men/
As the Brett M. Kavanaugh affair drags on, President Trump was asked Tuesday afternoon by a reporter if he has a message for “young men in America.” Trump said this:
"It’s a very scary time for young men in America, when you may be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of. This is a very difficult time. What’s happening here has much more to do than even the appointment of a Supreme Court justice. It really does. You could be somebody that was perfect your entire life, and somebody could accuse you of something … and you’re automatically guilty. But in this realm, you are truly guilty until proven innocent. That’s one of the very, very bad things that’s taking place right now."
Put aside for now the absurd idea that Trump is motivated by any vision of moral desert of any kind. Also put aside the fact, as Eric Levitz has pointed out, that Trump has no discernible worry about how our criminal-justice system dispenses profoundly unjust sentences and punishments to countless “young men in America,” many of whom are of course minorities. What’s remarkable about this is how perfectly pitched this is to Trump’s obviously intended audience — that is, his blue-collar white male base.
This week’s Quinnipiac poll shows how likely it is that these comments will resonate positively with that intended audience. The poll finds that a plurality of Americans opposes the confirmation of Kavanaugh, and believes Christine Blasey Ford is more to be believed than Kavanaugh is. But we obtained an additional breakdown of these numbers from Quinnipiac, and it shows that support and sympathy for Kavanaugh is simply overwhelming among one particular demographic more than any other — that is, non-college-educated white men. The numbers:
- 65 percent of non-college-educated white men support confirming Kavanaugh
- 66 percent of them believe Kavanaugh over Ford
- 69 percent of them believe Kavanaugh is honest
- 64 percent of them approve of Trump’s handling of the Kavanaugh nomination
- 65 percent of them believe Kavanaugh has been treated unfairly
- 72 percent of them believe Kavanaugh has been the target of a smear campaign
The reason I bring this up is to add to Ron Brownstein’s new piece, which argues that perceptions of the Kavanaugh affair are deeply shaped not just by the gender divided, but by the class divide as well. Brownstein’s is more focused on how this is playing out among women. He notes that college-educated white women are far more likely to sympathize with Ford than non-college-educated white women are. This is part of a broader pattern in which the Trump era has driven a heavy backlash among educated white women who have tended to tilt Republican, giving Democrats an opening to lock in big gains among that demographic.
But the flip side of this is that the cultural, racial and gender schisms that Trump is very consciously trying to widen, through deliberate provocations of one kind or another, may only be deepening his bond with non-college-educated white men. When Trump presents Kavanaugh as the true victim in this situation, and when he sweepingly declares that the moral of the Kavanaugh story is that men across America are in great danger of unfair persecution, he seems to know exactly what he’s doing.
RandyForRubio
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Ok. I watched the Trump video. I expected far, far worse tbh.
He wasn’t mocking her. He was pointing out her ability, or lack there of, to have any consistency to her story. It was still in poor taste to do it, but mocking her? We’ve seen Trump mock people. This wasn’t it.
He wasn’t mocking her. He was pointing out her ability, or lack there of, to have any consistency to her story. It was still in poor taste to do it, but mocking her? We’ve seen Trump mock people. This wasn’t it.
idestroyedthetoilet
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Well, one thing Republicans can be good at here, or have been depending on your view of things, is requiring some beaurocratic rules and fines to go to their respective legislatures for a democratic vote rather than being subject entirely to the whims of unelected beaurocrats. These situations usually are $ amount dependent, where an arbitrarily picked value triggers congressional oversight. Trump has used executive orders this way. I'm not aware of a democratic president doing so but am entirely unsure. Utah uses this process to check the power of beaurocrats (in my opinion, in practice it's actually a pro-business, anti-regulation tool used by our legislature to soften regulatory effect).
Red
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Yep, and it's reaching its peak in the present administration, IMO....
No, your problems are your own.
The level of pretty much anything worthwhile is shockingly low.
Red
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I think we all know how tribal politics in America has become. Now, some have argued that both sides, Democrats and Republican, are to blame for the state of affairs in which we find ourselves. And some believe that we should not really be taking sides simply because we contribute to tribalism. I assume, at least, that this is what such a point of view regrets. In going tribal, for instance, we basically abandon one of the chief definitions of politics: politics is the art of compromise.
My own point of view is that, while I lament, to no end really, our inability to seek compromise, our consistent tendency to talk past each other, I do recognize that taking sides is not, in and of itself, something we therefore must avoid. I mean there still exist fellow citizens of mine that wish the South had won the Civil War. We took sides then, one side was right, one wrong. Both were not equally to blame, INHO.
Sometimes one is forced to take sides. Better to just admit it, and allow it to play itself out, then constantly insist both sides are equally at fault. Overall, I am forced into the position of believing Republicans are representing retrograde positions in relation to our future as a nation. On many levels, from being among the leaders of global warming deniers, to resisting demographic changes that threaten to make "whites" a minority in America, to supporting Trump defining our present Supreme Court nomination "crisis" as a front in a "war on men". For instance, this administration just released a scientific report which actually backed the conclusion that the Earth would warm by 7 degrees by 2100, and at the same time the same administration is insisting that regulations regarding the release of methane into the atmosphere by the fossil fuel industry be eliminated. And it is a Republican administration. It is damn hard for me to not take sides, tribalism or no tribalism.
I have nobody on ignore on this forum. I honestly perceive that Thriller keeps on top of things where this administration is concerned. And he often summerizes his points of view succinctly, and representing well the side on which he finds himself.
Sometimes you have to take sides. And this is one such time in our history. Our president might try to bridge the gap. He might try to act as a president for all Americans. He has never done so. And I am not on his side. And neither is Thriller. It's alright to be angry at Republicans. As far as I am concerned they represent retrograde forces in American society at this time in our history. They do speak for many. Unfortunately. It is what it is. I wish it were otherwise, but I for one will not apologize( and nobody has asked me to, of course) for knowing what side I am on and voicing the point of view I do, nor should Thriller be singled out as being over the line simply because he pulls no punches for knowing what side he is on. I believe he cares for his country just as much as those who back Trump to the hilt care for their country.
It was Nixon who brought nut jobs like Reagan and Goldwater into the mainstream, from there your whole country has drifted like a doomed iceberg to the right.
Murdoch and his mob are desperate to do that here i can't wait for that evil old bastard to die.
Murdoch and his mob are desperate to do that here i can't wait for that evil old bastard to die.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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But the dem senators are evil, just as republicans are
No, they’re evil because of how they are going about it.
The weird thing about this video is he said Dr. Ford sounded very credible while also distancing himself from Kavanaugh by saying he barely knew the man saying he met him for the first time weeks ago. Talk about changing your tune.
The Thriller
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The process? Asking the FBI to investigate credible claims of sexual assault committed by a Supreme Court nominee seems pretty obvious to me. Why are people making this partisan? Seems like members from both parties should be asking for an investigation. The mere fact that republicans waited until after the hearing and it’s subsequent fallout before finally agreeing to an investigation demonstrates just who exactly is perverting the “process.”
Red
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Yeah, well, be that as it may, you're entitled to see it as you wish, don't need me to tell you that, but key Republican votes saw it as mockery. And they weren't alone. It was a very mocking tone, IMO....
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/10/03/politics/jeff-flake-donald-trump-christine-blasey-ford/index.html
Red
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If, as reports indicate, the results of the FBI investigation will be delivered to the Senate as early as today, it's very hard for me to see how this can possibly be seen as a credible effort. Certainly not by Democrats, and I don't envision Sen. Flake or other swing votes seeing this as credible either. I mean, really, are we kidding ourselves here? Limited investigation, OK, but this?:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna916146
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna916146
Red
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And BTW, not that it much matters at this point, but the Bart O'Kavanaugh in Mark Judge's book? Looks like that was Brett Kavanaugh:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/brett-kavanaugh-letter/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/brett-kavanaugh-letter/index.html
To me he is an articulate Dutch, nothing more.
I agree that sometimes you have to take a stand. Absolutely. Where I disagree is that this stand must be team A or team B. Not liking one team says nothing, absolutely nothing, about ones feelings for team B.
I openly disparage and ridicule them both. To me trying to assign who the bigger group of assholes and degenerates is wasted effort. Do we really care that one mountain of **** is 5 miles high and the other is 20 miles high? Either way we drown in ****.
Yes, I hope the Ds take the House. Mainly to slow down the Rs. I wanted the Rs to take a house under Obama for the same reason. I have zero faith in either party. And loudly call for expanded parties and push people to break the R and D mold.
Is that itself not a stand. Enough ******** already.
Oh and don’t confirm Kavanaugh. He’s not the right person.
Archie Moses
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1) I do deny responsibility for what I shared because a) I didn't write it and b) I posted it to see board member's takes on it. In other words, I'm behind on being caught up on this whole thing and an trying to see what I should believe. You mad?
2) I'm capable of doing my own research. I haven't been too interested in this whole thing until it started popping up everywhere. The problem is, I keep seeing polarized opinions of what happened or even articles that are misleading or missing facts. I mean, is it that bad I use jazzfanz to ask about polarized, agenda pushing versions of the story?
3) What do you even mean by being adult enough to own up to my support of this? You're god awful at assuming what I think or translating my posts to get more out of them than their face value.
I'll tell you what I think. I think this whole thing is absurd. I think bipartisanship creates super huge **** knuckles that are blind by their biases. I think Inga Katinka Bahova Kavanaugh vanaugh vanaugh and Ford are very dislikable, but creating a culture of condemning someone with no evidence, holes in your story, and because it puts you on a moral, political high ground is dangerous - as much as I dislike Kavanaugh.
Stop being such a shower glue girggler and thanks for taking the time to respond to what I asked.
Zombie
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I don't think Thriller has ever presented himself as particularly nonpartisan lol.
Archie Moses
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My post was a Facebook comment I copied and pasted (reading is hard, right?)
I don't know who Hannity or Kirk are. I do like Shapiro though. However, I've admitted things I don't like about him and have distanced myself from him to a certain degree.
Please, do tell me how far right I am. Am I a neo Nazi too? How bout a racist and sexist? Just want to make sure you check off all of your go to's when you don't have the facts and lump everyone who differs in opinion with you as the evil far right.
I'm not a Republican. I do have some conservative views. I do have some progressive views. I'm capable of distancing myself from parties. I'm capable of not lumping people in with their parties.
Yeah, I'm so not level headed and moderate. You twit knuckle.
Very true lol.
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