margodydek
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I don't get all this hoopla for this Washington trade. I don't really want to go into next year with half of our roster having a total of 2 NBA seasons under their belt.
If Irving and Kanter are gone & we're on the clock...
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I don't get all this hoopla for this Washington trade. I don't really want to go into next year with half of our roster having a total of 2 NBA seasons under their belt.
Brown Notes
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No matter who Utah takes they won't reach their full potential for several years. Almost nobody in this draft would start for the Jazz immediately. Kanter isn't going to beat out Favors or Al, or even Millsap.
That's what makes Jonas so perfect a fit. Utah has talent and doesn't need him to play heavy minutes immediately, really we can afford to wait a year for him if that's what happens. If he's here he will come off the bench for 15 MPG or so and collect a bunch of boards, blocks and fouls. Kind of like Favors this year. Two years from now we will know what we got in Favors and Jonas and consequently what to do with Al. The timing in that regard is very good. IMO he fits what Utah needs to a T. I forgot to mention he also is very good setting screens which is an absolute must if Corbin keeps the flex.
To me Kanter is much more of a question mark just due to the fact that nobody's seen him play against teams that are really good, and the reputation of lazy defense. Williams is a good player but I am prejudiced against him due to my Millsap fanboyism. I do really like Knight but he isn't going to start either. The bottom line is Favors is the only guy around here that can defend the rim, and we don't even know for sure how good he is. If I'm GM I'll keep acquiring inside defenders/rebounders until I'm satisfied I have at least 2. I can't stand seeing teams waltz to the rim and get tons of tip-ins.
Sorry to hijack. Carry on.
That's what makes Jonas so perfect a fit. Utah has talent and doesn't need him to play heavy minutes immediately, really we can afford to wait a year for him if that's what happens. If he's here he will come off the bench for 15 MPG or so and collect a bunch of boards, blocks and fouls. Kind of like Favors this year. Two years from now we will know what we got in Favors and Jonas and consequently what to do with Al. The timing in that regard is very good. IMO he fits what Utah needs to a T. I forgot to mention he also is very good setting screens which is an absolute must if Corbin keeps the flex.
To me Kanter is much more of a question mark just due to the fact that nobody's seen him play against teams that are really good, and the reputation of lazy defense. Williams is a good player but I am prejudiced against him due to my Millsap fanboyism. I do really like Knight but he isn't going to start either. The bottom line is Favors is the only guy around here that can defend the rim, and we don't even know for sure how good he is. If I'm GM I'll keep acquiring inside defenders/rebounders until I'm satisfied I have at least 2. I can't stand seeing teams waltz to the rim and get tons of tip-ins.
Sorry to hijack. Carry on.
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GVC
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That's not true if the Jazz can land Williams or Irving (if Harris is moved) though. Those two would likely be counted on to play 20+ minutes per game.
Also, if Millsap can hack it at the 3 (I think he can), there's plenty of time for a third big. If we're waiting for players to develop, I'd rather have Biyombo than JV, especially since he's definitely ready to come over right away and has NBA athleticism.
GVC
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Damn, I'd be happy.We take this guy then celebrate like we were the Miami Heat.
green
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Amen to that. Why do people want to trade away a potential Pierce or Wall for a bunch of CJ's and Bell's?
mellow
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Premature and ultimatley unfulfilled?
Brown Notes
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GVC-
If Sap is a legit 3 then JV equally would be able to put in 20+ minutes. I happen to believe that unless Williams is drafted it will be SF by committee in Utah. Sap/CJ/Hayward/Evans, Sap plays @ 10-15 at 3, and @ 20-25 at 4.
If Sap is a legit 3 then JV equally would be able to put in 20+ minutes. I happen to believe that unless Williams is drafted it will be SF by committee in Utah. Sap/CJ/Hayward/Evans, Sap plays @ 10-15 at 3, and @ 20-25 at 4.
billyshelby
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I'm not so sure KOC doesn't trade the pick if Williams falls. Williams could generate a few more "heist" type deals. On lesser fronts, Washington might trade the 6 and 18 for Williams. If KOC likes who he can get at the 6 and has a back of the draft guy, that might be enticing. Alternately, Williams might pry loose a star type player from another team in a bigger deal. But I wouldn't be upset to take Williams.
Favors Flave
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I think the best scenario is if Irving falls to 3. But this scenario is ****in awesome
candrew
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I think Williams is the "star type player". I think they take him and run.
Everything I've seen tells me he has an inate ability to create offense for himself. At the very worst, Williams will be an scorer off the bench. I think there's a better chance that he'll be a Carmelo type player.
margodydek
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This. He reminds me a lot of Melo, where you can isolate him and he can beat guys of the dribble with that nasty jabstep. Although if we do get him I don't think Millsap will have much of a future here. But having said all that, I think there's a 2% chance that he falls to us. We'll be drafting a Wildcat people. -- Crap Williams is a Wildcat.
jazzfan1132
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we need shooting, size, PG and SF, so no matter what happens KANTER IRVING or WILLIAMS will be ours. Based on what cavs and wolves do we will draft.
I think KANTER and FREDETTE is best scenario.
Williams and SG (3 need)
Irving and SF Singleton or Leonard will be nice.
we'll see 9 days left.
I think KANTER and FREDETTE is best scenario.
Williams and SG (3 need)
Irving and SF Singleton or Leonard will be nice.
we'll see 9 days left.
billyshelby
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I definitely don't think Williams is in the same class as Melo. Not even that close, really. The David West comparisons I can buy. But yeah, if you think he has that kind of ability to play the 3 you take him and don't look back.
GVC
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I feel kind of stupid posting this again, but there are 144 minutes available at the 3, 4 and 5. That's more than enough PT for Jefferson, Favors, Millsap and Williams.
Can I just say that drafting Kanter and Jimmer is completely antithetical to what KOC has (or had) been saying this whole time? "We want to get longer and more athletic." That is the least long or athletic draft combination realistically imaginable, probably even if you consider teams and their 2nd rounders. It's also terrible defensively.
If the Jazz are looking to step it up on the defensive end, they'll have to do a lot more than draft two guys who have - until this point at least - been completely disinterested in playing D, besides not having great tools for it.
If the Jazz are looking to step it up on the defensive end, they'll have to do a lot more than draft two guys who have - until this point at least - been completely disinterested in playing D, besides not having great tools for it.
margodydek
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Greg Miller has said on numerous occasions that the two needs he wants to address with the team (not necessarily through the draft) are size and shooting. Pretty sure Kanter/Jimmer hit those two nails on the head.
margodydek
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GVC
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Yep. If it were 1987, that'd be a solid draft. Being subjected to almost nothing but plodding bigs since I started watching the Jazz (2003), I'm not a big fan of Kanter (even if his athletic tests don't make him out to be a plodder). Although change isn't necessarily a good thing, I'm ready for some.