Roster Addition Wish List

[Roy_McAvoy]

Bjelica would've been perfect. Seeing how his free agency went, Locke signaling interest throughout the season, Ricky and I believe Mitchell flirting with him in the offseason, it seems pretty apparent that the Jazz just thought holding their cards was smarter. I have no idea why. He would've been perfect.

I don't get it either. I was perplexed by it. I thought it was basically a done deal, especially given the contract he signed and that the Jazz probably could've got him for slightly cheaper. I guess maybe we choose Niang/Sefolosha over him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't get it either. I was perplexed by it. I thought it was basically a done deal, especially given the contract he signed and that the Jazz probably could've got him for slightly cheaper. I guess maybe we choose Niang/Sefolosha over him.

Yeah but it's not a question of Niang vs. Bjelica, it's a question of gifting a veritable dinosaur of a PF at least $17 million vs. signing a guy that would be a splendid fit.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bjelica would've been perfect. Seeing how his free agency went, Locke signaling interest throughout the season, Ricky and I believe Mitchell flirting with him in the offseason, it seems pretty apparent that the Jazz just thought holding their cards was smarter. I have no idea why. He would've been perfect.

Wanting to preserve and save and hoard for this perfect move... that doesn’t come.

The thing is... if you nail one of those signings it’s another asset. Would we give a first to have Bjelica on his current deal? Prolly not because it’d look bad but you get my point... so I’m not sure why I’m talking.

I think Ricky is the bigger issue though. When your primary ball handler can’t get things going because teams can just drop in the lane I don’t see how you can be consistently successful. The defense is good sometimes mediocre others. I’d rather work around the two big system than the Ricky system right now.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Wanting to preserve and save and hoard for this perfect move... that doesn’t come.

The thing is... if you nail one of those signings it’s another asset. Would we give a first to have Bjelica on his current deal? Prolly not because it’d look bad but you get my point... so I’m not sure why I’m talking.

I think Ricky is the bigger issue though. When your primary ball handler can’t get things going because teams can just drop in the lane I don’t see how you can be consistently successful. The defense is good sometimes mediocre others. I’d rather work around the two big system than the Ricky system right now.

We're using a lot of hindsight right now, but let's use foresight in the past for a second here:

Rubio is/was under contract and needs space to operate, Favors was not. Gobert is one pillar of our franchise and absolutely requires space to produce on offense, also under contract. Furthermore, even in the rare instance where Favors strings together multiple good games, it typically doesn't have a noticeable correlation to winning, whereas when Ricky got hot, EVERYTHING changed.

Bringing back a throwback PF with this roster after the many years of a problematic fit was foolish.

 

[LoPo]

I didn't know which thread to throw this in....

I honestly think what is happening is actually good for us long term. Last season, we had a feel good moment. We played lights out and it felt great. To "reward" the team and players, we brought everybody back. Most importantly, we sent a message to Mitchell that we were committed to guys he both liked and succeeded with.

Now we get to this year. We are obviously struggling. Continuity seems gone. Guys have regressed. Well, now DL can tell Mitchell we tried to recreate the magic but it just isn't happening. It would suck to lose this year, but this isn't a contending year anyway. Favors ($16.9), Rubio ($15), Thabo ($5.5) and Udoh ($3.3) are expirings. We shake their hands and wish them well.

I think this is a great opportunity to show our budding star and fanbase that status quo isn't good enough anymore. We rolled out the same team and it didn't work. Come summer, we go out and find other pieces that fit better. Pieces with long term upside. If we can't sign them, we trade for them using cap space. Regardless, we send a good message to Mitchell that we don't just sit on our hands and sometimes we move on from likeable guys for the sake of chasing a title.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I didn't know which thread to throw this in....

I honestly think what is happening is actually good for us long term. Last season, we had a feel good moment. We played lights out and it felt great. To "reward" the team and players, we brought everybody back. Most importantly, we sent a message to Mitchell that we were committed to guys he both liked and succeeded with.

Now we get to this year. We are obviously struggling. Continuity seems gone. Guys have regressed. Well, now DL can tell Mitchell we tried to recreate the magic but it just isn't happening. It would suck to lose this year, but this isn't a contending year anyway. Favors ($16.9), Rubio ($15), Thabo ($5.5) and Udoh ($3.3) are expirings. We shake their hands and wish them well.

I think this is a great opportunity to show our budding star and fanbase that status quo isn't good enough anymore. We rolled out the same team and it didn't work. Come summer, we go out and find other pieces that fit better. Pieces with long term upside. If we can't sign them, we trade for them using cap space. Regardless, we send a good message to Mitchell that we don't just sit on our hands and sometimes we move on from likeable guys for the sake of chasing a title.

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The problem is we are kind of hand sitters... the message needs to be sent to DL not DM.

Not going to count the times we sat on our hands right now... it’s a lot. When we have made moves it was to appease a pending FA and bring in win now pieces or when guys have requested trades. Have only dabbled in FA with decent rotation players... picked up some very nice minimum guys and have drafted well but we err on the side of patience... and we have a lot of patience.

 

[LoPo]

Well, we don't have to keep grasping at straws for a star anymore. We have our alpha Mitchell and we have Gobert. We don't have to sit on our hands anymore.

Mitchell now knows sacrifices must be made sometimes. It is so much better to learn this when #1 we can't win a title this year and #2 the ineffective likeable guys expire this year.

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[Roy_McAvoy]

Can I add Joe Harris to the list? I was clamoring for him in as a last piece addition in the offseason as well. He got a little more money than I thought (2 years $16 million) but his numbers have been stellar. 13 ppg and 30-50 from the 3 point line on the year.

And keeping our first round pick over trading for Mirotic (who wanted to be here) haunts me in my dreams.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The problem is we are kind of hand sitters... the message needs to be sent to DL not DM.

Not going to count the times we sat on our hands right now... it’s a lot. When we have made moves it was to appease a pending FA and bring in win now pieces or when guys have requested trades. Have only dabbled in FA with decent rotation players... picked up some very nice minimum guys and have drafted well but we err on the side of patience... and we have a lot of patience.

God damn it you’re right.

Then again, I could use some of my life back and through the diligence of the front office, by golly, I might get some back.

 

[radiohegel]

Maybe this is too bold, but, I'm still holding out for this magical Mirotic hindsight to flip again next year when we sign him for zero assets in free agency (or a better alternative, like Harris) and Grayson has grown into a solid contributor. I still think keeping the pick was the right move then, and I think hindsight will ultimately agree.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Can I add Joe Harris to the list? I was clamoring for him in as a last piece addition in the offseason as well. He got a little more money than I thought (2 years $16 million) but his numbers have been stellar. 13 ppg and 30-50 from the 3 point line on the year.

And keeping our first round pick over trading for Mirotic (who wanted to be here) haunts me in my dreams.

Want to be more haunted by Niko? So if we had Niko already we likely aren't looking at needing cap space this summer... so in a team friendly market you could use your MLE and get a guy like Harris.

Since we are saving space we couldn't really put multiyear offers out there without endangering that space.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

God damn it you’re right.

Then again, I could use some of my life back and through the diligence of the front office, by golly, I might get some back.

And I like DL... I really do. I think he is a bit passive which is dangerous now that contracts are shorter and there is so much player movement. The world can change and move around you quickly. We have to be a bit more proactive... even if that means making a mistake or two... just try to avoid the fatal mistake.

 

[LoPo]

Great read. Be thankful we aren't the Wiz.... http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25187751/zach-lowe-john-wall-bradley-beal-washington-wizards-nba

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe this is too bold, but, I'm still holding out for this magical Mirotic hindsight to flip again next year when we sign him for zero assets in free agency (or a better alternative, like Harris) and Grayson has grown into a solid contributor. I still think keeping the pick was the right move then, and I think hindsight will ultimately agree.

It isn't that bold... I think we are strong contenders for his services next year. I hope Allen is good. The issue is... will we be afraid to pay Niko 4/100M... because that is what he gets if healthy and playing close to what he has been.

Are we afraid?

 

[Miggs]

Mirotic and Middleton are pipe dreams. They're not happening.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Rozier, anyone?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Mirotic and Middleton are pipe dreams. They're not happening.

Niko is very much in play... I think Khris stays in Milwaukee.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And I like DL... I really do. I think he is a bit passive which is dangerous now that contracts are shorter and there is so much player movement. The world can change and move around you quickly. We have to be a bit more proactive... even if that means making a mistake or two... just try to avoid the fatal mistake.

I mean, it's clear what he is doing. If it all pays off in the 2019 free agency class, this will all look like hand wringing.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Check out Randle's stat line from last night against OKC:

28 min 26 points
10/10 FG 100%
2/2 3pt 100%
4/4 ft 100%

8 rebounds
1 assist
1 steal
2 blocks

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean, it's clear what he is doing. If it all pays off in the 2019 free agency class, this will all look like hand wringing.

I agree, but if he misses? We keeping the powder dry again? We gonna end up with lots of dry powder waiting for the perfect addition to say yes.

Scared money don't make none. We have seen this similar patience we will make additions line of action before. I am on board with it right now... doesn't mean we couldn't have made some additional moves around the fringes. Doesn't mean we can make some short term moves now.

To be fair I thought we should have retained the pick and not done the Niko deal... in part because I didn't think they'd get a pick for him. I also think conserving space works now. I think I would have been a little more aggressive around the fringes this offseason, but we played well down the stretch so running it back wasn't stupid.

I just think he or Quin will have to make a tough call on some personnel moves... not sure Quin will bench guys if they are available. Hopefully Ricky gets good at shooting again soon.