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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

MDAV28 said:
Bjelica could be a target if the Kings keep forcing Bagley to play over him
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I agree. If a "power struggle" starts between the coaching staff and front office about Bagley vs Bjelica, they might move Bjelica much like Chicago moved Mirotic last year. I don't think I would give a first but I would offer multiple 2nd rounders.

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One Brow said:
Jingled, how much do you think Harris we could get Harris for, when he isn't big enough or good enough to be a starting PF? The real issue is why don't we have a coach that finds a way to play one of our top 3 players more?
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What are you talking about? Harris is 6'9, 235. He's without a doubt big enough to be a starting power forward. Not good enough? He's averaging 21 PPG. on 50% shooting and 41% from 3.



The numbers don't lie. Rubio/Mitchell/Ingles/Crowder/Gobert has been by far our best lineup since the trade for Crowder. Do you suggest we hurt the team and sacrifice wins by taking minutes away from either Crowder or Gobert just so we can find a way to "play one of our top 3 players more"? Quin's not an idiot, if he thought playing Favors more would help the team win then that's what he'd do.
 
Gobzilla said:
Yeah, well, I'm guessing DL does though, so there's that. Plus, I don't see Donovan as a PG, I'd much rather him stay at the SG position.
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Eh, Rubio is on the last year of his deal. I haven't heard any talks of extension.

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I'm not sure I see an obvious trade for the Jazz to make. Clippers aren't going to trade Tobias. I'm not sure the Jazz want Kevin Love given the state of his health and his contract. I could absolutely see the Jazz making a move or two, but I can't predict what it will be. It could be a moneyball player that no one sees coming.

The obvious trade candidates are Thabo Sefalosha, Ekpe Udoh and possibly Derrick Favors, but I get the sense the Jazz would like to keep Favs for this year's playoff run. He's pretty much our Rudy-lite with the second unit, and it would take a pretty attractive deal for the Jazz to want to move him.

One guy on the radar should be Otto Porter, but his production relative to his salary makes him a bit of a reach. If the Spurs decide to pull the plug on this season, they could offer up an interesting player, maybe Rudy Gay, but I'm not sure how much that moves the needle for the Jazz.
 
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Catchall said:
If Rubio can shoot 40%+, he's a net positive.
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Rubio is not elite at anything. Most importantly, he has never shown that he can consistently shoot well enough to be counted on in that capacity.

I like Rubio, but he doesn't need to be our starting PG if we want to be a contender. It's like hoping Ronnie Brewer will shoot well enough not to be a liability when we should have just upgraded the position.

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Alfalfa said:
Harris TS% of 60 is amazing for someone who takes a lot of threes, and way more valuable than Favors 62 on far fewer shots, mostly within 10 feet. I mean, duh. Do I really need to explain this?
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Harris takes shots from far away and misses a lot, Favors takes close-up shots and makes a lot, and for some reason you like the guy wh takes shots from far away. Any more explanation than that?

Alfalfa said:
I already responded to the rebounding thing. Harris rebounds at a better rate on the defensive end. You know, where most rebounds come from? We have Gobert down there gobbling up most rebounds. We don't need Favors competing for them.
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So, Harris rebounds next to a bad rebounder, Favors rebounds almost as well next to a good rebounder, and you want to decrease our rebounding ability so gobert doesn't have to fight Favors for rebounds. Got it.

Alfalfa said:
And most of the time, you're better off not going for the offensive rebound and running back on defense, anyway.
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Sure. Who wants all those second offensive opportunities when you can run back on defense instead?

Alfalfa said:
What is this about Harris not being big enough for the 4? Did I just travel back in time to 1996? He's about average height for a PF in 2018.
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He's about 30 lbs lighter than Favors.
 
Jingled said:
What are you talking about? Harris is 6'9, 235. He's without a doubt big enough to be a starting power forward. Not good enough? He's averaging 21 PPG. on 50% shooting and 41% from 3.
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With a PER, WS/48, etc. barely above average as a player (making him a below-average starter).

Jingled said:
The numbers don't lie. Rubio/Mitchell/Ingles/Crowder/Gobert has been by far our best lineup since the trade for Crowder. Do you suggest we hurt the team and sacrifice wins by taking minutes away from either Crowder or Gobert just so we can find a way to "play one of our top 3 players more"? Quin's not an idiot, if he thought playing Favors more would help the team win then that's what he'd do.
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I think an NBA coach should be able to find a way to play his more talented players, rather than force his players into a system. Right now, only Gobert has better production than Favors. Snyder should be able to find a way to take advantage of that.
 
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LoPo said:
Favors doesnt play next to Gobert against small playoff lineups yet posters on here argue for Favors over smaller, more agile, better shooting, better facilitating, better handling PF options.

Favors homerism is alive and well.
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I'm in favor of playing the players that produce. Favors is currently our second-best player in that regard. When he stops producing, I'll stop saying he has great value on this team.

I like to follow where the data leads, not some starry-eyed, amateur notion of what should be.
 
One Brow said:
I'm in favor of playing the players that produce. Favors is currently our second-best player in that regard. When he stops producing, I'll stop saying he has great value on this team.

I like to follow where the data leads, not some starry-eyed, amateur notion of what should be.
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He has produced the last two seasons. Until the 2nd round of the playoffs. When he sat. Because our opponent made it impossible for us to compete with an all world defense first center next to Favors.

If you honestly think we can win a title with Favors starting at PF next to Gobert, you need to take the time to watch contenders play. Favors is valuable as a 3rd big. He is a playoff liability at starting PF.

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I expect Rubio to shoot and play better in the second half of the season. He has done it the last 2 years and arguably the last 3.

That said he needs to get benched until he plays better. If he isn't shooting well he kills our team. Start Korver and move Mitchell to the bench. This allows Favors to play more with the starters and get more playing time which he deserves since he is playing so well. It also gives Mitchell a lot more room.

Favors does have good trade value. He is a starter level center on an expiring deal. But it better be a good deal for us because he will be valuable to us.

Exum still has value but Snyder still likes him and sees upside. He still mentions being harder on him then other players because he sees so much potential. Again it better be a good trade if we move him.

Royce could be okay to trade but I think him being Mitchell's best friend is more valuable than whatever he nets in return.

I'm not sure Rubio is worth much more than his expiring contact right now.

Mitchell and Gobert are untradable. Ingles is close to that.

Crowder has some value but probably more to us unless it lands is an upgrade but why would a team do that.

The only trade I see is if an all Star level player gets moved that the Jazz really like. But it will be hard to out bid some other teams.
 
Favors was injured in the second round of the playoffs the last 2 years.

We can win a title with Favors playing some next to Gobert and some backup center.

I would love to upgrade the PF spot. But I would love to upgrade any player outside of Mitchell.
 
Also, Jazz will greatly improve in the second half like they always have under Snyder in non tanking years. A lot of the trades suggested here are premature based on that.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Favors was injured in the second round of the playoffs the last 2 years.

We can win a title with Favors playing some next to Gobert and some backup center.

I would love to upgrade the PF spot. But I would love to upgrade any player outside of Mitchell.
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No. He was not injured either time. No excuses.

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LoPo said:
He has produced the last two seasons. Until the 2nd round of the playoffs. When he sat. Because our opponent made it impossible for us to compete with an all world defense first center next to Favors.

If you honestly think we can win a title with Favors starting at PF next to Gobert, you need to take the time to watch contenders play. Favors is valuable as a 3rd big. He is a playoff liability at starting PF.

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A big reason Favors also sat more was the Rubio injury. Needed more creation so minutes went down the line to guards like Burks and Exum. Something that came directly from Quin's mouth if I remember right.

Jazz starting 5 was one of the best in the regular season and playoffs last season.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Also, Jazz will greatly improve in the second half like they always have under Snyder in non tanking years. A lot of the trades suggested here are premature based on that.
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Yes. We will improve. And yes, we won't get past the 2nd round if we can make it that far.

Due to value or fit, our core is Mitchell, Ingles, Gobert, Korver, O'Neale and Crowder. The other guys should be expendable for the right upgrades.

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LoPo said:
Yes. We will improve. And yes, we won't get past the 2nd round if we can make it that far.

Due to value or fit, our core is Mitchell, Ingles, Gobert, Korver, O'Neale and Crowder. The other guys should be expendable for the right upgrades.

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Yeah, I disagree with all of that.
 
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