Boozer KFAN rumor

[billyshelby]

One thing is for sure: Orlando definitely has the most talent that would be attractive to us. And they can't make one move to compete this summer being over the Cap as they are. So we would have leverage with them. KOC should be exploring this pretty heavily.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

One thing is for sure: Orlando definitely has the most talent that would be attractive to us. And they can't make one move to compete this summer being over the Cap as they are. So we would have leverage with them. KOC should be exploring this pretty heavily.

The issue is that there's no way they take on Boozer without sending Carter or Lewis to us. If not, and Boozer is at, say 14 million, Orlando would have 68 million, the projected tax line, invested in just FOUR players.

 

[billyshelby]

The issue is that there's no way they take on Boozer without sending Carter or Lewis to us. If not, and Boozer is at, say 14 million, Orlando would have 68 million, the projected tax line, invested in just FOUR players.

If they're sending back 8-10 million in salary, that offsets pretty quickly. The other thing is Orlando is an easy sell to Booze. Smith likes to overpay, anyway, but he has a lot more leverage if he's willing to do that 6th year. He could start Booze as low as 12 and, in effect, have only increased his salary overhead in year one by 3 million dollars.

 

[baka98]

The Orlando Sentinel newspaper reported on its website Tuesday that Gortat had said "the Magic told him after the season that they would not 'hesitate' to add him in a trade to acquire a star player."

https://ht.ly/25gmf

 

[Darkwing Duck]

If they're sending back 8-10 million in salary, that offsets pretty quickly. The other thing is Orlando is an easy sell to Booze. Smith likes to overpay, anyway, but he has a lot more leverage if he's willing to do that 6th year. He could start Booze as low as 12 and, in effect, have only increased his salary overhead in year one by 3 million dollars.

Even so, that's 66 million for FOUR players. Add Jameer Nelson and it's near 73 million. Already six to seven million over the tax line and the roster has to have EIGHT more more players. Orton is one. He's just shy of a million, I think, on the rookie scale. Barnes is 1.6. That's a bit above 75 mil and six more players are needed. At 12 mil, Jazz can't take all three of Pietrus, Bass and Gortat, so one of those salaries will remain. I'll use the smallest one, Bass. That's 79 million and change. Still need five more players on the roster.

 

[billyshelby]

Even so, that's 66 million for FOUR players. Add Jameer Nelson and it's near 73 million. Already six to seven million over the tax line and the roster has to have EIGHT more more players. Orton is one. He's just shy of a million, I think, on the rookie scale. Barnes is 1.6. That's a bit above 75 mil and six more players are needed. At 12 mil, Jazz can't take all three of Pietrus, Bass and Gortat, so one of those salaries will remain. I'll use the smallest one, Bass. That's 79 million and change. Still need five more players on the roster.

You have a good point, but by my count they would have:

Lewis
Carter
Howard
Nelson
Boozer *That's a pretty good 5 by the way*
Bass
Reddick (who they can match)
Barnes
Anderson
Orton
Robinson

11 Guys. The MLE gets them a guy, and I don't know if they have the bi-annual. So they're pretty close from a numbers standpoint. Yeah, they'll be massive tax payers, but the Boozer addition won't make it that much worse for them. But I still don't know exactly how a team like Miami plans to field a squad. They'll be over the Cap once their major signings are accomplished. So how do they go out and get to 13? My guess is there is no limit to guys you can sign for the rookie/veteran minimums. But I haven't seen that written down anywhere.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Even so, that's 66 million for FOUR players. Add Jameer Nelson and it's near 73 million. Already six to seven million over the tax line and the roster has to have EIGHT more more players. Orton is one. He's just shy of a million, I think, on the rookie scale. Barnes is 1.6. That's a bit above 75 mil and six more players are needed. At 12 mil, Jazz can't take all three of Pietrus, Bass and Gortat, so one of those salaries will remain. I'll use the smallest one, Bass. That's 79 million and change. Still need five more players on the roster.

And look at it from the Jazz' side. If Boozer signs for say, $14M, that means the jazz have to take back about $12M in salaries for the trade to work (the 115% rule). Do a $12-$14M trade with Orlando and re-sign Fes and Matthews, and the Jazz are suddenly looking at an $80M payroll. Jazz will not even consider an even S&T for Boozer unless they can dump AK's salary first. I'd be surprised if the Jazz seriously pursue a S&T. No team is going to want to give up a lot of value.

With unlimited funds, I'd say yes, why not take a shot on Gortat, a guy who has been minimally successful and will be getting $7M/per for the next 4 seasons. I mean, give the guy 30 mins per game and maybe he averages 9 points and 9 rebounds. That's a bargain for $7M. Bass and Redick? If you want a guy like Redick, why not just re-sign Korver. Kyle is a better shooter and could be had for about the same price. Bass is Millsap-lite. An undersized PF - except Bass has below average rebounding skills. Throw him back, please.

 

[Stifle Tower]

But I still don't know exactly how a team like Miami plans to field a squad. They'll be over the Cap once their major signings are accomplished. So how do they go out and get to 13? My guess is there is no limit to guys you can sign for the rookie/veteran minimums. But I haven't seen that written down anywhere.

Right you are, sir.

 

[memo is money]

Gortat scores 3 points and grabs 4 rebounds a game....he makes close to 7 million a year. His numbers might project well with playing time, but most likely they will not. Pass.

But wait !!! He can block. Hahaa... There are at least 10 stupids here that can be OK with Gortat at 7 mil but cannot be OK with what Okur earns. The key phrase for them is "defense". What they fail to see is players like Gortat are brought in to the court to defend. THat's their duty. That's all. I honestly like what he brings to the game from bench. He definitely is an average player, role player who can rise to the occasion when needed most. He has shown that he can also defend quick players, is a very good athlete. However, there is no way he is my starting PF or C. No way is he a reliable option. He is faul prone.

While I agree with you that he is overpaid, I would be OK with him in Jazz uniform due to the package he is in. Bass and Reddick can help us immediately and they can play both sides of game.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

And look at it from the Jazz' side. If Boozer signs for say, $14M, that means the jazz have to take back about $12M in salaries for the trade to work (the 115% rule). Re-sign Fes and Matthews, add any combination of 3 players and the Jazz are suddenly looking at an $80M payroll. Jazz will not even consider an even S&T for Boozer unless they can dump AK's salary first. I'd be surprised if the Jazz seriously pursue a S&T. No team is going to want to give up a lot of value.

Definite truth for that. Definitely unlikely. I've said many times Boozer won't be back if Kirilenko is still in a Jazz uniform. Maybe it should be amended to say Boozer's salary won't be back if Kirilenko is in a Jazz uniform.

 

[Stifle Tower]

But wait !!! He can block. Hahaa... There are at least 10 stupids here that can be OK with Gortat at 7 mil but cannot be OK with what Okur earns. The key phrase for them is "defense". What they fail to see is players like Gortat are brought in to the court to defend. THat's their duty. That's all. I honestly like what he brings to the game from bench. He definitely is an average player, role player who can rise to the occasion when needed most. He has shown that he can also defend quick players, is a very good athlete. However, there is no way he is my starting PF or C. No way is he a reliable option. He is faul prone.

While I agree with you that he is overpaid, I would be OK with him in Jazz uniform due to the package he is in. Bass and Reddick can help us immediately and they can play both sides of game.

Ummm, yeah. He's averaged 0.9 blocks in 13 mins. So increase his PT to 35 mins/game and what do you get? About 2.4 blocks. So we could expect 9/9/2.5 for a $7M player.

Oh yeah, and he really stepped it up when it mattered. His playoff stats were exactly the same. I guess you can say he's consistent. Overall, you're looking at a guy who really hasn't improved much in any one area over his 3 years. This is a terrible contract no matter how you look at it. It's not surprising Orlando is willing to trade him a year after they matched his offer.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ummm, yeah. He's averaged 0.9 blocks in 13 mins. So increase his PT to 35 mins/game and what do you get? About 2.4 blocks. So we could expect 9/9/2.5 for a $7M player.

Oh yeah, and he really stepped it up when it mattered. His playoff stats were exactly the same. I guess you can say he's consistent. Overall, you're looking at a guy who really hasn't improved much in any one area over his 3 years. This is a terrible contract no matter how you look at it. It's not surprising Orlando is willing to trade him a year after they matched his offer.

Put him on team that does a better job of setting up easy scores around the basket like Utah does and he will average much more points.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Orlando matched him because they knew how valuable a C with a very nice physical profile and can rebound and defend is. They didn't need him, but they knew they could probably use him as an asset to get what they really wanted (good value if looking at his size and efficiency, salary taking up enough space to take back another star when the opportunity presented itself [this?]).

Right now, they're a team that frankly has no one that's great with the ball in their hands and certainly have no offense that generates itself in the post even though they're loaded with players that can give a guy a prairie to work within if he's worthy. Boozer on Orlando from a skill standpoint is almost perfect. Considering Koufos right now is our only likely center for half the season, getting Gortat would be a god-send (why the Jazz just didn't draft Aldrich, I don't know, maybe the Jazz and Magic have been talking about this for a while and the Jazz thought they were going to get Gortat).

 

[dwill#1]

I'd take Pietrus, Bass and Gortat for Booz or

Pietrus"Peaches" is athletic, good shooter and plays great D. Throw in Bass to back up Milly and Gortat staring you got your self much better defensively. Who cares if were not as good offensively, WE NEED DEFENSE. A Miles/Hayward,Bass, Fes,AK and PG would contend for the best bench.

It wouldnt make sense to get Pietrus and Reddick b/c we would have Wes, Miles, Ak, Reddick, Hayward and Pietrus for 2 and 3 positions

 

[hoopsfan2744]

Powerhouse said the latest rumor is that Dwight Howard wants Boozer to come to Orlando. The only way this could happen is through a sign and trade.

It's rumored that Bass/Gortat, Reddick, and Pietrus would be the players involved.

Just a rumor....

If the Jazz have the opportunity to land another wing player, there has to be something to it.

 

[David Stern]

How about Gortat and Bass? I didnt read the whole thread so sorry if someone already said that.

 

[Jazzfannut83]

I've always been a fan of Bass's game. He's similar to Millsap. Sure he's not gonna put us over the top but if such a S&T is a possibility, i'd like him to be a part of it. Always felt he's the prototypical Jazzman...hustles his behind off, isn't afraid to mix it up inside, good rebounder and can knock down a mid range J.

As for Boozer, Orlando probably is the perfect fit for him because he's got that interior defensive presence in Howard to make up for his own deficiencies on that end

 

[carolinajazz]

I don't know what these crackas are smokin, Gortat can ball.

...and so can Heyward! You see that signature video of mine? That's actually Heyward in the early years playing summer league ball with the hoppers! You see him bouncing that ball off a hopper head? That's what he will be doing to NBA hoppers next year....especially against Boozer, wherever he signs!

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If I'm the Jazz, I let Boozer walk and pass on the sign & trade, rather than take back players who suck from Orlando. Let them waive players, screw their cap and sign Boozer themselves, so they can have three overpaid soft veterans playing with Dwight.

Vince, Rashard & Boozer would make the All-Overpaid, Cadillac'ing, No-Defense-Playing, I-Wanna-Shoot-Rather-Than-Pass-to-Dwight Team.

Debacle.

 

[Revolution 9]

What? Reddick is a much better player than both Pietrus and Anderson.

Pietrus > Reddick but neither are too good.