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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree somewhat, but it’s kind of arrogant to assume a guy that will get max offers from others the moment free agency opens is gonna wait for you to pitch KD and Kawhi... although they may have given up on getting two guys... it’s not realistic imo... but they were/maybe still are deadass serious.

La is nice but Tobias will get 4 max offers as long as he’s healthy. Potentially better markets and basketball situations... Dallas, Sacramento, Brooklyn, Utah, all could pony up an offer... we know KD and Kawhi will take at least a day or two... Harris gonna hope Clips miss and settle on him? What’s his incentive to wait on them?

I’d start some rumors that they have their sights set elsewhere and are shopping him ahead of the deadline... even if it ain’t true let’s plant some seeds of doubt.
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I don't think they assume that. Which is more the reason they'd have to be more than swayed with a deal to move on. I think they would definitely try to get through the back channels to make their pitches, well before FA starts as we have seen many do. Probably are doing it now, there was that report that there has been a Clipper official at every Raptor game Kawhi has played this season.

I don't really agree about better "basketball situations". He is having a career year and is living in LA. Also we all know he can get a larger and longer offer from the home squad, so there's that incentive for him, other than wanting to be there of course.

I just don't see the reasoning from their end. This isn't the PG situation in which he told them straight up he is leaving. You've got to get some real good pieces, which as you've brought up, is hard with somebody hitting UFA.
 
MDAV28 said:
I don't think they assume that. Which is more the reason they'd have to be more than swayed with a deal to move on. I think they would definitely try to get through the back channels to make their pitches, well before FA starts as we have seen many do. Probably are doing it now, there was that report that there has been a Clipper official at every Raptor game Kawhi has played this season.

I don't really agree about better "basketball situations". He is having a career year and is living in LA. Also we all know he can get a larger and longer offer from the home squad, so there's that incentive for him, other than wanting to be there of course.
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So the clips would rather settle on Harris and a 5 year deal than Favs and a first if their plans didn’t work?

It’s a legit question. He is having a great year and likely doesn’t make the all star team and likely misses the playoffs... clips are irrelevant. LA makes up for some of that but the season doesn’t last 12 months and they can go wherever. PG is from LA and don’t want to even meet with the Lakers who with him and Lebron would be better than the thunder are.

Winning matters, timing matters, if they are serious and have some assurances they are getting dudes I could see them making moves. I think Kawhi ends up with them... but even assurances from his team would be tough to trust cuz he’s a weirdo.

I think they should basically make a decision on Tobias by the deadline. If you keep him you call him and Kawhi at 12:01 and forget waiting on Jimmy, KD, Kyrie, Kemba etc. if they think they got a shot at one of those dudes then you move Tobias fo the best package you can get. Favs and a first ain’t bad.
 
This is simple - if Tobias shows any sign that he might walk this summer, he doesn't have that much value to LA. If Tobias shows interest in Utah again (he already has once) then other teams might not bid against us for fear he might just go to us in the summer.

Favors and a 1st is damn good value for a guy who leaves in a few months. If anything, the question will be about us not just waiting instead of making the trade.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
So the clips would rather settle on Harris and a 5 year deal than Favs and a first if their plans didn’t work?

It’s a legit question. He is having a great year and likely doesn’t make the all star team and likely misses the playoffs... clips are irrelevant. LA makes up for some of that but the season doesn’t last 12 months and they can go wherever. PG is from LA and don’t want to even meet with the Lakers who with him and Lebron would be better than the thunder are.

Winning matters, timing matters, if they are serious and have some assurances they are getting dudes I could see them making moves. I think Kawhi ends up with them... but even assurances from his team would be tough to trust cuz he’s a weirdo.

I think they should basically make a decision on Tobias by the deadline. If you keep him you call him and Kawhi at 12:01 and forget waiting on Jimmy, KD, Kyrie, Kemba etc. if they think they got a shot at one of those dudes then you move Tobias fo the best package you can get. Favs and a first ain’t bad.
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Um 100% they would want Tobias.... wouldn't we? We can't have it both ways. He's valuable to us, but not to them? Valuable plays are valuable regardless.

I think we are in agreement. They would move Tobias if they had a guarantee from another player. But they wouldn't move him for a middling package. Which is why if they moved Tobias I would be very concerned if I were Toronto, Golden State, Philadelphia, etc.
 
LoPo said:
This is simple - if Tobias shows any sign that he might walk this summer, he doesn't have that much value to LA. If Tobias shows interest in Utah again (he already has once) then other teams might not bid against us for fear he might just go to us in the summer.

Favors and a 1st is damn good value for a guy who leaves in a few months. If anything, the question will be about us not just waiting instead of making the trade.

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Has he shown any interest in walking? He seemingly loves it there and is having a career year...

The question is definitely if they have a deal in place with a superstar already. If they don't, he ain't getting traded for that package.
 
Anyone like Jabari Parker as a trade option besides me? He's been playing better as of late and he's still only 23 years old. I know he's injury prone but he has a lot of talent and if he can get back to where he was before injuries, he could be a great addition to the Jazz.
 
MDAV28 said:
Um 100% they would want Tobias.... wouldn't we? We can't have it both ways. He's valuable to us, but not to them? Valuable plays are valuable regardless.

I think we are in agreement. They would move Tobias if they had a guarantee from another player. But they wouldn't move him for a middling package. Which is why if they moved Tobias I would be very concerned if I were Toronto, Golden State, Philadelphia, etc.
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I think they like him but if they do pursue two of the max free agents as the reports suggest they will... that pursuit likely costs them Harris... he won’t and shouldn’t wait. They may chicken out though and focus on retaining him and getting Kawhi.

I also think Favs in the right situation ain’t much worse than Tobias. Just we can use his abilities to the fullest cuz our best player plays his position.

Signing Tobias and another FA also locks them in. The Favs deal if they missed in a big FA they can run it back with Favs Gallo Kawhi and try again the next year on one of those max FAs. They could move Harris but on a 4-5 year max he may not return a big asset or may sustain an injury and mess up your bigger plans.

There is just a lot of moving parts so maybe they’d accept a more concrete contingency plan and it’s consequences. They might say piss off... they might trade Gallo then they can go for two max guys and retain Harris caphold... who knows... I don’t think Favs and a first is completely unfair or offbase given their plans.
 
MDAV28 said:
Has he shown any interest in walking? He seemingly loves it there and is having a career year...

The question is definitely if they have a deal in place with a superstar already. If they don't, he ain't getting traded for that package.
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He has a career year every year... it’s the kind of worker he is.

They won’t have something sealed and done until FA... they can have some assurances but can’t trust those a ton.
 
MDAV28 said:
They'd trade Gallo before Harris. UFA and all.
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Probably true. Easier to waive Harris caphold if you need the space than it is to trade Gallo.
 
LoPo said:
This is simple - if Tobias shows any sign that he might walk this summer, he doesn't have that much value to LA. If Tobias shows interest in Utah again (he already has once) then other teams might not bid against us for fear he might just go to us in the summer.

Favors and a 1st is damn good value for a guy who leaves in a few months. If anything, the question will be about us not just waiting instead of making the trade.

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When had Tobias shown interest in Utah?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think they like him but if they do pursue two of the max free agents as the reports suggest they will... that pursuit likely costs them Harris... he won’t and shouldn’t wait. They may chicken out though and focus on retaining him and getting Kawhi.

I also think Favs in the right situation ain’t much worse than Tobias. Just we can use his abilities to the fullest cuz our best player plays his position.

Signing Tobias and another FA also locks them in. The Favs deal if they missed in a big FA they can run it back with Favs Gallo Kawhi and try again the next year on one of those max FAs. They could move Harris but on a 4-5 year max he may not return a big asset or may sustain an injury and mess up your bigger plans.

There is just a lot of moving parts so maybe they’d accept a more concrete contingency plan and it’s consequences. They might say piss off... they might trade Gallo then they can go for two max guys and retain Harris caphold... who knows... I don’t think Favs and a first is completely unfair or offbase given their plans.
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Again, I think we are in agreement except that it would take much more to move him. There's risk with every UFA. If you trade all those guys for middling assets you aren't getting anywhere as a franchise.
 
LA offered Tobias a $20 million extension last summer. Do we even know if they want to give him $30+ in the summer?

Yes, he has played well this year but it's not like he carries the name recognition of Butler, Kawhi, KD, etc. This is LA we are talking about. He is good, but he is not a star.

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LoPo said:
LA offered Tobias a $20 million extension last summer. Do we even know if they want to give him $30+ in the summer?

Yes, he has played well this year but it's not like he carries the name recognition of Butler, Kawhi, KD, etc. This is LA we are talking about. He is good, but he is not a star.

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That's all they could offer by my understanding of Veteran Extensions.
 
DerekFromTexas08 said:
Anyone like Jabari Parker as a trade option besides me? He's been playing better as of late and he's still only 23 years old. I know he's injury prone but he has a lot of talent and if he can get back to where he was before injuries, he could be a great addition to the Jazz.
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No. He refuses to play defense, and that's Utah's whole identity.
 
ONE LOVE said:
The rumour came from David Locke?

Is he normally reliable with these sorts of thing?
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Gonna day no... on draft stuff I think you can trust him... it’s not a big rumor.
 
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