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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

NUMBERICA said:
For the record, I’m not really interested in pursuing Conley. I think he certainly makes this team better but the return on investment (what it would take to get him + his actual salary + his age + I think Donovan should be playing more “1”, etc) is quite poor.
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Exactly... to all of it.
 
LoPo said:
If we need Rubio and/or Favors for a trade deadline deal and yet we love them so much, why not just try to re-sign them in the summer?

Sure we wouldn't have them for this playoffs, but we could re-sign Rubio or Favors using the MLE.

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Besides that they would feel unappreciated and burned by the Jazz? And that making the MLE is their worst-case scenario? And that they’d be much more likely to be in that worst-case scenario because the Jazz traded them? And that the Jazz wouldn’t have an MLE to use if they’re operating under the cap?

No reason, I guess.
 
I think we can get in on some side action of the Conley deal... most of the teams I could see making a push for him would have stuff we'd want maybe more than Memphis. We have the flexibility and can throw a pick in the deal.

Like if Minny sent Saric/Dieng/Teague and a pick for Conley... Memphis likely doesn't care much for Saric... we add a pick and some salary clearing if necessary to facilitate a deal. The table scraps may be more appealing to me than the dinner.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Besides that they would feel unappreciated and burned by the Jazz? And that making the MLE is their worst-case scenario? And that they’d be much more likely to be in that worst-case scenario because the Jazz traded them? And that the Jazz wouldn’t have an MLE to use if they’re operating under the cap?

No reason, I guess.
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We overpaid Favors this summer. A more fair contract going forward would be the almost $9 million or so the full MLE would give him. We could even give it for a few years which gives him long term security.

If they can get over getting traded for the betterment of the franchise AND they love it here so much, I think they could get over it. With them plus trade targets, we could be a better contender.

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Everybody is looking at Mirotic/Randle in case the Pels decide to rebuild after they lose AD(seems like he's injured and they will be out of the playoff picture this year)... It's not Mirotic we should be after. It should be Jrue Holiday. One of the best fitting guards for our system and our roster. He's like a souped up version of what George Hill was for us(when not healing his toe).
 
stitches said:
Everybody is looking at Mirotic/Randle in case the Pels decide to rebuild after they lose AD(seems like he's injured and they will be out of the playoff picture this year)... It's not Mirotic we should be after. It should be Jrue Holiday. One of the best fitting guards for our system and our roster. He's like a souped up version of what George Hill was for us(when not healing his toe).
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I agree about Jrue, but NOLA would trade Mirotic or Randle because they might walk this summer. Jrue is still a guy they can keep to build around AD. If they trade him before the deadline, might as well trade AD too.

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stitches said:
Everybody is looking at Mirotic/Randle in case the Pels decide to rebuild after they lose AD(seems like he's injured and they will be out of the playoff picture this year)... It's not Mirotic we should be after. It should be Jrue Holiday. One of the best fitting guards for our system and our roster. He's like a souped up version of what George Hill was for us(when not healing his toe).
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Yes. The issue is they haven't and won't give up on AD yet. Demps wants to keep his job, so folding is a no go. The ownership is clueless and disinterested. So I think they are more likely to double down on staying in the picture. Maybe the injury changes things for them. If Holiday was available I'd love it. Similar to Conley as a two way player with on and off ball value but younger and bigger so basically ideal fit next to DM. They won't move him until they move AD imo.
 
LoPo said:
We overpaid Favors this summer. A more fair contract going forward would be the almost $9 million or so the full MLE would give him. We could even give it for a few years which gives him long term security.

If they can get over getting traded for the betterment of the franchise AND they love it here so much, I think they could get over it. With them plus trade targets, we could be a better contender.

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The Jazz could only offer a maximum of approximately $4.6 million a year in that circumstance using the room exception (teams operating with cap space are not given a full MLE to use http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25). And that’s the TOTAL they could spend in free agency after using their cap (with exception to minimum contracts).

Even with the haters and dreamers, no one here thinks Rubio or Favors are getting signed for that little.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m not sure you understand. We can’t use that valuable space and keep Favs and Rubio... it’s an either or. DL set things up for flexibility and will make an addition now if the opportunity presents itself. It’s unlikely because trades and transactions are somewhat rare by nature.

He may not want to dip into the additional assets, Allen, picks, Exum?, etc. but he’d put Favs and Rubio on the table for the right addition now.
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I fully understand the situation at hand. I think you misunderstood my post. I was stating that Dennis won't bring in someone that takes up the cap space we have this offseason and in addition, he's not going to give up what he perceives to be valuable pieces to this year's team while losing that cap space going forward.

I disagree that Dennis Lindsey would make an addition now. I think sights are set on a big time free agent with the floor being Khris Middleton or Tobias Harris. I don't think Dennis will bring on an Otto Porter or Mike Conley and risk losing the chance to sign someone better for the Jazz in the offseason.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The Jazz could only offer a maximum of approximately $4.6 million a year in that circumstance using the room exception (teams operating with cap space are not given a full MLE to use http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25). And that’s the TOTAL they could spend in free agency after using their cap (with exception to minimum contracts).

Even with the haters and dreamers, no one here thinks Rubio or Favors are getting signed for that little.
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I'm acting under the premise that we would be over the cap because of pre-deadline trades. If we are over the cap, we could give Favors or Rubio just over $9 million this summer.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/06/values-of-201819-mid-level-bi-annual-exceptions.html

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stitches said:
Everybody is looking at Mirotic/Randle in case the Pels decide to rebuild after they lose AD(seems like he's injured and they will be out of the playoff picture this year)... It's not Mirotic we should be after. It should be Jrue Holiday. One of the best fitting guards for our system and our roster. He's like a souped up version of what George Hill was for us(when not healing his toe).
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They’re not doing that until after they give up on AD (and after they trade him), but I would go in to get both Holiday and Mirotic.

I would also go in for Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier.

Both moves effectively remove the Jazz from doing anything substantial with cap space for probably a decade, but I think either solidifies the roster.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I fully understand the situation at hand. I think you misunderstood my post. I was stating that Dennis won't bring in someone that takes up the cap space we have this offseason and in addition, he's not going to give up what he perceives to be valuable pieces to this year's team while losing that cap space going forward.

I disagree that Dennis Lindsey would make an addition now. I think sights are set on a big time free agent with the floor being Khris Middleton or Tobias Harris. I don't think Dennis will bring on an Otto Porter or Mike Conley and risk losing the chance to sign someone better for the Jazz in the offseason.
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You think the Jazz are willing to sacrifice opportunities to substantially improve the team so they can chase KD and Kawhi? I think it’s important to dream big, but that’s a problem when your dreams hurt your reality and I don’t think DL is stupid. Because that would be really stupid as their best angle to the next tier of free agents is being decisive about them.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
I fully understand the situation at hand. I think you misunderstood my post. I was stating that Dennis won't bring in someone that takes up the cap space we have this offseason and in addition, he's not going to give up what he perceives to be valuable pieces to this year's team while losing that cap space going forward.

I disagree that Dennis Lindsey would make an addition now. I think sights are set on a big time free agent with the floor being Khris Middleton or Tobias Harris. I don't think Dennis will bring on an Otto Porter or Mike Conley and risk losing the chance to sign someone better for the Jazz in the offseason.
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My bad... I misread and though "this team" versus "this year's team"

I don't think we have a shot or intention on chasing the FA above the Middleton Harris tier... but if you think otherwise it would make sense to wait. OP is in the same ballpark as Middleton Harris. I'm out on the Conley idea completely.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m not sure you understand. We can’t use that valuable space and keep Favs and Rubio... it’s an either or. DL set things up for flexibility and will make an addition now if the opportunity presents itself. It’s unlikely because trades and transactions are somewhat rare by nature.

He may not want to dip into the additional assets, Allen, picks, Exum?, etc. but he’d put Favs and Rubio on the table for the right addition now.
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I think he is being sarcastic.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You think the Jazz are willing to sacrifice opportunities to substantially improve the team so they can chase KD and Kawhi? I think it’s important to dream big, but that’s a problem when your dreams hurt your reality and I don’t think DL is stupid. Because that would be really stupid as their best angle to the next tier of free agents is being decisive about them.
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I think the Jazz will be that stupid. Dennis Lindsey's past track record of being reactive instead proactive suggests to me there is 0 chance they will trade for someone this season that ties up their cap space for the offseason.
 
I don’t know how the particulars of this works, but I send a text at 12:00 July 1st to the top tier guys that says “you have a max deal on the table if you want to sign it” in the event one of them jumps at the offer, but put all of the actual effort into Harris>Middleton. Just to cover your bases.
 
LoPo said:
I agree about Jrue, but NOLA would trade Mirotic or Randle because they might walk this summer. Jrue is still a guy they can keep to build around AD. If they trade him before the deadline, might as well trade AD too.

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I specifically said AFTER they lose/trade AD. Before they do it, Jrue is not going anywhere.
 
The Conley deal is also made really difficult by the fact that Memphis is right at the tax and many of the teams that would be interested (I think) are also bumping up against it.

Sacramento gonna get in the deal somehow to absorb something from somebody.
 
stitches said:
Everybody is looking at Mirotic/Randle in case the Pels decide to rebuild after they lose AD(seems like he's injured and they will be out of the playoff picture this year)... It's not Mirotic we should be after. It should be Jrue Holiday. One of the best fitting guards for our system and our roster. He's like a souped up version of what George Hill was for us(when not healing his toe).
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He's good, but he's also a meh shooter. He plays in a hyper offensive system that produces a ton of open looks and has shot 33% the last two years. He shoots the same percentage as Rubio does on wide open looks on the same amount of wide open looks.

If you want to improve your offensive ability, I think Conley is a far better option.
 
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