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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Handlogten's Heros said:
Not if they are getting straight expirings imo. SA has the best potential package and makes the most sense to me but Pau has like 6.5M in dead money on his deal for next year. I think they’d throw a pick and mostly expiring salary... not sure they’d throw white/Murray/walker into the deal though.
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Just realized Patty Mills has 2 more years and 25M on his deal. I thought he was expiring (think the trade machine lied to me). So SA has an offer but 6.5M in dead money with Pau and some bad money with Mills.

Minny is another suitor, but theyd be eating Teague's contract.

I'll bet the offers really suck... may have been why they came out and just said the guys are for sale.
 
The Detroit Jackson/Kennard/Salary filler and a 1st may be the best they find. Memphis gonna sell low imo.

If we send Ricky and Favs there is a third team out there that could send a first with a worse contract for one of those guys. They could also rent the space this offseason if a team needed it, but I think there won't be a huge market for that.
 
Give me your thoughts on this trade:
Korver & Jazz 2019 1st for Brogdon & Snell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydx795he

Why Bucks: 1) $$$! They can't pay Brogdon, Bledsoe & Middleton and if they don't make a trade they will lose at least one of them this summer for nothing. Similarly, getting off of Snell's contract would help them. Korver will help with the spacing (obviously), and the 1st could either be flipped for a player, or used to acquire a cheap contract (which will be important going forward).
2) Even though this trade decreases their chances at a title this year (but not by much), it would make them better the next few years, which is when their championship window really starts anyways.

Why Jazz: 1) Roster fit. Brogdon is a high IQ player who can shoot, penetrate, and pass. Also, he is a strong defender. I also like that he would be great as either the second guard with Mitchell (playing on or off ball), or as the first guard off the bench.
2) Off season flexibility. Brogdon will be a restricted free agent this summer with a cap hold of only $1,931,189. So, Jazz could generate over $30 million in cap space to sign a top player. However, if the Jazz strike out in free agency, they can still bring Favors back and resign Rubio with his bird rights. They could then look to use Favor's expiring contract to upgrade at the deadline.
This trade is the only realistic way I can think of for the Jazz to add two high end free agents to the roster this summer.
 
Here is an interesting article talking about how Cousins wanted to go to Washington. https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-chance/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0ffba9530e6b

If Washington wanted to try to go after Cousins again this summer, it would make a ton of sense for them to trade Porter for Favors, Thabo and a 1st. They could use the 1st to try to dump Mahinmi's expiring this summer.

If I'm a Wiz fan, I dream for a Wall/Beal/Cousins team rather than stick with what I have.
 
checkbookdoc said:
Give me your thoughts on this trade:
Korver & Jazz 2019 1st for Brogdon & Snell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydx795he

Why Bucks: 1) $$$! They can't pay Brogdon, Bledsoe & Middleton and if they don't make a trade they will lose at least one of them this summer for nothing. Similarly, getting off of Snell's contract would help them. Korver will help with the spacing (obviously), and the 1st could either be flipped for a player, or used to acquire a cheap contract (which will be important going forward).
2) Even though this trade decreases their chances at a title this year (but not by much), it would make them better the next few years, which is when their championship window really starts anyways.

Why Jazz: 1) Roster fit. Brogdon is a high IQ player who can shoot, penetrate, and pass. Also, he is a strong defender. I also like that he would be great as either the second guard with Mitchell (playing on or off ball), or as the first guard off the bench.
2) Off season flexibility. Brogdon will be a restricted free agent this summer with a cap hold of only $1,931,189. So, Jazz could generate over $30 million in cap space to sign a top player. However, if the Jazz strike out in free agency, they can still bring Favors back and resign Rubio with his bird rights. They could then look to use Favor's expiring contract to upgrade at the deadline.
This trade is the only realistic way I can think of for the Jazz to add two high end free agents to the roster this summer.
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Milwaukee has plenty of money to keep most of their guys. May let Bledsoe walk before they do Brogdon. They can't do anything right now that is consider a step back in talent imo. They gotta keep Giannis. If they need to pay the tax for a year I think they'd do it.
 
Brogdon isn't available because there are zero reasons for the Bucks to trade him. He is cheap right now, plays right now and they have his restricted free agent rights.
 
LoPo said:
Here is an interesting article talking about how Cousins wanted to go to Washington. https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...-chance/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0ffba9530e6b

If Washington wanted to try to go after Cousins again this summer, it would make a ton of sense for them to trade Porter for Favors, Thabo and a 1st. They could use the 1st to try to dump Mahinmi's expiring this summer.

If I'm a Wiz fan, I dream for a Wall/Beal/Cousins team rather than stick with what I have.
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I'm not sure they can pull it off capwise. Ariza, Satoransky, Morris capholds all need to be waived... so their team would be Wall/Boogie/Beal/Brown Jr./Howard... and a bunch of minimum dudes.

I will say this...Boogie seems like a Wizard.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Milwaukee has plenty of money to keep most of their guys. May let Bledsoe walk before they do Brogdon. They can't do anything right now that is consider a step back in talent imo. They gotta keep Giannis. If they need to pay the tax for a year I think they'd do it.
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I agree they need to keep Giannis happy going forward, that is why I think they would consider this. They already have 80M in salary before signing these three. I really doubt they are going to be willing, or even able, to sign Middleton to a max + Bledseo & Brogdon to $20M each. So, would you rather have Middleton + Bledsoe + Korver + Jazz 1st or just two of Bledsoe, Middleton & Brogdon? I think it is a no brainier.
 
checkbookdoc said:
I agree they need to keep Giannis happy going forward, that is why I think they would consider this. They already have 80M in salary before signing these three. I really doubt they are going to be willing, or even able, to sign Middleton to a max + Bledseo & Brogdon to $20M each. So, would you rather have Middleton + Bledsoe + Korver + Jazz 1st or just two of Bledsoe, Middleton & Brogdon? I think it is a no brainier.
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Your numbers are off... Hill is basically non-guaranteed next year. Once Middleton waives his option they have like 50M in salary... add 32M for KM, and 40 for Bled/Brogdon and they are at $122ish... Lopez complicates things, but they could get off Snell's money. They let Bledsoe walk or get a deal on him and they are totally fine.
 
LoPo said:
Brogdon isn't available because there are zero reasons for the Bucks to trade him. He is cheap right now, plays right now and they have his restricted free agent rights.
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Every Bucks writer & national person who has written/talked about them has acknowledged that the Bucks won't be able to keep all three of Brogdon, Bledsoe, & Middleton. So, in my mind it is about getting something or nothing. As I said, I don't think they have much chance to win this year (because of Warriors), so if you want to maximize your championship window you need to be as good as possible in the next 2-3 years. But, maybe that is not going to be their mindset.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Your numbers are off... Hill is basically non-guaranteed next year. Once Middleton waives his option they have like 50M in salary... add 32M for KM, and 40 for Bled/Brogdon and they are at $122ish... Lopez complicates things, but they could get off Snell's money. They let Bledsoe walk or get a deal on him and they are totally fine.
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I forgot about Hill! Still, you are saying the same thing as I am, they are going to end up letting Bledsoe walk for nothing (unless they get a discount for some reason).
 
checkbookdoc said:
Every Bucks writer & national person who has written/talked about them has acknowledged that the Bucks won't be able to keep all three of Brogdon, Bledsoe, & Middleton. So, in my mind it is about getting something or nothing. As I said, I don't think they have much chance to win this year (because of Warriors), so if you want to maximize your championship window you need to be as good as possible in the next 2-3 years. But, maybe that is not going to be their mindset.
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They control Malcolm though... Bledsoe's market may be a little less robust too. Might get a slight discount on Khris if they give him 5 years... They should be able to stay below the tax and keep the team together.
 
One thing to watch... Phoenix has said they want to be players in FA... they don't have space as is... TJ Warren is out with "ankle soreness"... Igor used the word "shutdown" to describe his availability and will be re-evaluated in two weeks (what else is in two weeks)...

I wonder if they move him for expirings and draft stuff... they love shutting down guys to make sure they don't get hurt. Have heard he is available from different experts. I'd be interested.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Your numbers are off... Hill is basically non-guaranteed next year. Once Middleton waives his option they have like 50M in salary... add 32M for KM, and 40 for Bled/Brogdon and they are at $122ish... Lopez complicates things, but they could get off Snell's money. They let Bledsoe walk or get a deal on him and they are totally fine.
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FYI, I just added it back up, and I show the Bucks have $78 M before Lopez, Brogdon, Bledsoe, or Middleton. I am looking at Shamsports (http://www.shamsports.com/capulator), is there a more accurate place to be looking?
 
jom2003 said:
Any bench lineup that involved Niang has allowed our opponents to either close the gap or even make a comeback and take the lead in multiple occasions over the course of last few games. Our starters were good enough to bail them out, yes. But if this trend continues, it will inevitably start costing us some games.
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So niang has been playing and hurting us lately. And we have won like 9 out of the last 10 or something. And that's without Porter or Conley or whoever. And no than or X.

So adding Porter and or Conley or whoever would presumably make us better. So we would have maybe gone undefeated during this stretch if healthy? Losing zero games with niang playing a bit doesn't sound so bad. I would love to not lose any games actually.
Add in the fact that niang could actually improve. Sounds really good to me.

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tfivas said:
Niang is so bad, unbelievable that he gets minutes in the NBA.
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Yet we are still winning all these games.
It's cause niang playing a few minutes doesnt matter much if our starters are killing it.

Most teams have someone who sucks that plays a few minutes to give the main guys rest.

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Too lazy to pull and reply to the post, but no way we should or need to give Favs/Exum AND a pick for OPJ.

I love the dude but we would be helping them off that salary, giving them a true and flexible asset in Favs and another young kid with a decent contract in Exum. Giving them a 1st as well is ridiculous.

You save that for Conley....
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
One thing to watch... Phoenix has said they want to be players in FA... they don't have space as is... TJ Warren is out with "ankle soreness"... Igor used the word "shutdown" to describe his availability and will be re-evaluated in two weeks (what else is in two weeks)...

I wonder if they move him for expirings and draft stuff... they love shutting down guys to make sure they don't get hurt. Have heard he is available from different experts. I'd be interested.
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I'd be so down.

He can play small ball 4, right?
 
checkbookdoc said:
FYI, I just added it back up, and I show the Bucks have $78 M before Lopez, Brogdon, Bledsoe, or Middleton. I am looking at Shamsports (http://www.shamsports.com/capulator), is there a more accurate place to be looking?
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They haven't updated... Henson and Delly are gone... also they don't have to take the 3.5M Teletovic hit because of medical retirement. They will be able to manage just fine imo.
 
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