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Good Article on the Impending Lockout by David Aldridge

Nate505

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Since the Jazz are part of this lockout, and because I can, I'm sticking this here. I thought it was a pretty good (and long) read, at least the part where he explains the main sticking points in the whole mess. He then offers his suggestions to fix it, which I'm sure someone with much more knowledge than me can find flaws in the suggestions (or maybe not). I'll link the first few paragraphs here, even though it's from a free site, as (even though I should know) I'm not exactly sure if "we" care for whole long articles to be posted. I'll edit it later if it's permissible.

https://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/06/20/morning-tip-labor-breakdown/index.html

We're at the 58th minute of the 11th hour.

This is the beginning of the last week that can truly avert an lockout by NBA team owners. They will meet with the players' union Tuesday in New York, a meeting that David Stern indicated last Friday would be make or break. The sides have met three times in full session in the last two weeks, along with a couple of smaller sessions between the lawyers, and Stern and Billy Hunter speak on the phone all the time. Yet here we are, 11 days from a lockout that everyone says will be disastrous for the sport, while everyone seems powerless to stop it from happening.

It doesn't have to be this way.

There's a middle ground.

It will require sacrifice from both sides. It will require trust from both sides. It will require acknowledging that the other side's position has some merit and is worth considering. But it is there.

It will be difficult. Rich men are capable of doing just about anything to remain rich. This new generation of NBA owners, many of whom are leveraged up to their ears and who have tens of millions of annual debt service to pay before they pay a single coach or player their gargantuan salaries, has among its ranks those who are fully ready to sacrifice all of next season if it means a sea change in the league's financial system. The new generation didn't pay $1 million for his franchise (like the late Abe Pollin, who bought the Baltimore Bullets in 1964), or $6 million (the late Bill Davidson, who bought the Pistons in 1974). Having been in the game for decades, the old guard was more likely to be willing to cut a deal.

Today's NBA is filled with owners who paid through the nose for their teams, and have years of red ink in front of them before they ever see a return on their investment.

The list includes Joe Lacob and Peter Guber (Golden State, purchased in 2010 for $450 million), Robert Sarver (Phoenix, 2005, $400 million), Dan Gilbert (Cleveland, 2005, $375 million), Wyc Grousbeck and Steve Pagluica (Boston, 2002, $360 million), Ted Leonsis (Washington, 2010, $300 million -- an estimated price that does not include another $250 million in debt on Verizon Center and the Wizards that Leonsis also has to assume) and Mikhail Prokhorov (New Jersey, 2009, $200 million for 80 percent of the team and 45 percent of the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn in which the Nets will play beginning in 2013).

Add to that NBA owners who also own NHL teams -- a group including Leonsis (Capitals), Stan Kroenke (Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche) and Philip Anschutz (part-owner of the Lakers and owner of the NHL's Kings) and who survived the cancellation of the 2004-05 season in that sport after a lockout lasting nearly a year -- and you have a strong cross-section of owners who are emboldened to do whatever it takes to create a system that ensures profitability. That's something you have heard from Stern and deputy commissioner Adam Silver over and over again during the past 18 months.

"The old guys, they'd made a lot of money already," said a longtime and former senior executive of an NBA team who's been involved in previous collective bargaining sessions with the players. (Like just about everyone quoted in this piece, he obviously cannot be named.).

"Now you have guys saying 'I'm losing money, and I have to find a way to make this team that I bought for $350 million worth $500 million.' "

Players, of course, don't want their paychecks to finance profit certainty when no other business has that kind of arrangement with its workers.

"We've continued to try our best to be respectful and reasonable with, not only our ability to listen to what the NBA owners are asking or demanding from us, but we've also tried to express the fact that we're more than willing to negotiate," National Basketball Players Association president Derek Fisher said during The Finals. "And that we've expressed and actually committed to being willing to make some adjustments, and tweak some things, make some quote-unquote compromises in order to try and get this deal done without the event of a lockout. At the same time, we have a responsibility as a Players Association to prepare our guys for that possibility."

Until Friday, when owners made what they deemed a "signficant" concession and agreed to table a proposal that would have changed the existing NBA structure that allows teams to guarantee part or all of a player's contract -- the union argued that it's hardly a concession to agree to something that's already in the CBA -- there had been almost no major movement between the sides. The issues that have been impeding progress for 18 months continue to be daunting.


(rest on link...the article is too long for me to post all of it with our software)
 
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This has the potential to be a very, very long lockout. I have a feeling that it's only going to end when the players concede. I believe the owners already know exactly how far they're willing to go. Each time they make a step toward the middle the players are going to say it's meaningless because that they are only giving back what they already had, but the reality is that the players are going to have to give up a lot that they already had before the NBA is going to resume operations.
 
I agree, the owners hold the cards here. They can forgo an entire season and make out ok. I really don't want to see it happen though. I'm really excited to see how the new look Jazz are.
 
Not a lot of people are going to want to sponsor a player When he isn't doing his job. Owners have the upper hand here.
 
Not a lot of people are going to want to sponsor a player When he isn't doing his job. Owners have the upper hand here.

I agree. As a matter of fact, the players could be toxic to the average American audience. The lockout will be in the news, the players (more so than owners) will be made out to be the spoiled brats, and the value of the personality diminished.
 
Wow. Players refusal to budge actually saves the owners money. The owners make more $ if there is NOT a season.

But what we all want to know is how this affects the draft order. (silver lining)
 
Wow. Players refusal to budge actually saves the owners money. The owners make more $ if there is NOT a season.

But what we all want to know is how this affects the draft order. (silver lining)

I'm sure if there is no season all the teams will just be put in the lottery with equal amounts of balls.

Or maybe just redo the lottery from last season because people will flip if Miami or La gets the number one pick.
 
There is no way there will be a completely randomized lottery. No way. It makes more sense to duplicate the previous year's order. The teams were pretty much in order of how bad they were, and that isn't going to change as much in a year.

Either way is unfair, but giving Miami the 1st pick in the draft potentially? That cannot and will not happen.

- Craig
 
I think having empirical data from how past picks impact a team (trades carry no weight), and using that to slide teams up and down based on what order players were selected in 2011, could create a mostly fair draft order.

^^ I just re-read that .. and it sounds like a big pile of ****.
 
The richest people always have the upper hand and the poor people are the ones who go with out. Sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy when rich people fight over money. Does anyone really think the owners or players care about the fans. I am sure when all the dust clears, ticket prices, jerseys or NBA league pass will not be lower.
 
The new American economy is disolving the American standard of living and taking disposable income (play money) with it. Expect the leauge to continue to see a decrease in revenue. The 'good old days' aren't coming back anytime soon.

The new economic reality is harsh for the new owners who made bad speculative investments, and to the players who haven't realized that every wage earner in the US, except for Federal Employees, have taken a hit in the last three years through layoffs, furloughs, cut in hours, or increase costs for benifits. Both sides should've noticed the Dodgers are bankrupt, MLB is trying to take back the team. And don't forget the NBA quietly took control of the NO Hornets last year, and 'loaned' Milwaukee Buks 55 Million to stay afloat.

I might be on my own island on this but I can see multiple scenarios where the union or the League break with the end result being competing leagues in an ABA/NBA type of landscape.
 
"Players, of course, don't want their paychecks to finance profit certainty when no other business has that kind of arrangement with its workers."

What world do these people live in? Every year people forgo raises or even part of their existing salaries to insure companies stay in the black.
 
...normally, I would expect a number of posters to complain or point out that we already have a nice thread going on the lockout...and this one should be merge with the other. However, if Nate wants to start another thread on this matter....I'm all for it! Heck, we've got 12 plus months to fill them up with opinions, viewpoints and commentary! Maybe we can have a contest to see which thread ends up with the most posts!
 
Since there is no basketball news and won't be for a long time, I have another lock-out article (sorry it is from the hated spurs)

https://blog.mysanantonio.com/spurs...onroe-it-only-gets-harder-for-owners-players/


Stern is going to have to pull his best work ever to keep the owners together while the players 'STAND'.

I can't take credit for it, because I saw this in a comments section: Join the Fan Union (F.U.) and send a message to the players and owners.
 
I'm going to rant. I'm pissed that these athletes sit and complain that they do not get paid enough. Meanwhile, the fans that cheer them on and make them money are the ones who make sacrifices for season tickets or to take their children to see their favorite player. That money spent on those things could be spent on other things. Now these players complain about not getting paid enough by the owners and what not. It's a bunch of ****.

The owners are a joke as well. Charging what, $5.75 for some damn nachos?! They will do anything they can to make money. I am trying not to take sides but it's hard with the way athletes act these days. Most of them play them game for money. They see it as, "Hey, I'm really good at this. Get me paid!" Instead of, "Wow! I'm blessed with this crazy talent and can have a job I love and support from random people!"

I recall as a kid at Crossroads mall, my mother and I ran into Jeff Hornacek. My mom was never one to shy away. She always spoke her mind. She asked him, "When are you guys going to start playing again? We miss the Jazz." Hornacek said something along the lines of, "Most of us just want to get on the court and play but unfortunetly not everyone feels that way."

I don't think there are too many NBA players like a Hornacek or Stockton in the league anymore who simply play for the love of the game and use it as support for their family. I blame companies and sponsors for overpaying these selfish all about me athletes.

What I'd like to see in an NBA contract is, "We will pay you this much money if you shoot x-amount percentage, if you fall below that, we will not pay you." I believe they should be paid according to how they play. I don't think that sounds unfair. The average person at work has goals they have to meet and if they cannot, they will either get fired or replaced by some one who can.
 
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