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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?


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The Dems and a faction within the intelligence community (affectionately called the 'deep state') have been baselessly attacking Trump since before he even took office. They've been trying to have him removed any way they can because he's kowtowing their agenda. He has every reason to be upset with them and, ultimately, to expose them, something that he appears to be doing.
Baselessly lol. There was reason to attack the ************* before he ever even got into politics. And that was when he was just a dumbass reality TV scumbag.
The fact the he is the president is even more of a reason to attack the scumbag.

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That's not what happened. First of all, I'm not Republican. Second, I didn't vote in the last election. The people who elected Trump did so to repudiate a number of things that had happened under the Obama, including nationalized healthcare, loose immigration policies, the Supreme Court that was becoming ever more liberal, and Hillary herself, who was seen as a disingenuous and cynical candidate with no clear message other than "I'm with her." It didn't help that the Clinton Foundation had a reputation for being terribly corrupt. It was a perfect storm that got Trump elected, and it wouldn't have happened if he didn't have support from independents, blacks, a number of women, and more hispanics than you might think.
Lol
First of all i never said anything about you being Republican or you voting for Trump.

2nd of all this is from your post: You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place

So you said that Republicans elected Trump because of pettiness and media bias from "you guys" which I take to me democrats or the left.

So according to you Trump wasn't elected because anyone thought he would be a good president but rather because the left were being petty and bias.

So like I said, I find that to be an absurd reason to vote for someone.

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He's revisiting whether an unborn child acquires the right to live during the pregnancy.

Just so you are aware, Trump DOESN'T believe the unborn child has a right to live in certain circumstances. He was upset about Alabama for what they recently did.

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Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

Some of us were outraged.
 
Is Trump picked on? Hell yes he is. And thank God he is. That shows that some people in this country still think that a person's character matters.
I would be very disappointed and saddened if Trump wasn't being called out for his behavior.

Apparently there are some Americans who don't care about a person's character anymore.
That's sad

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Will it make any difference to you if none of those things ever come to fruition?

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We already know for certain that the dossier was presented to the FISA court for the purposes of obtaining a search warrant. And we also know for certain that Steele's work was politically motivated because he admitted that to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec ten days before the dossier was presented to the FISA court. What we don't yet know was whether Kavalec's notes were submitted to the court. What is already crystal clear is that the dossier should have been inadmissible, yet instead it was presented as a verified document (which it clearly was not).
 
We already know for certain that the dossier was presented to the FISA court for the purposes of obtaining a search warrant. And we also know for certain that Steele's work was politically motivated because he admitted that to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec ten days before the dossier was presented to the FISA court. What we don't yet know was whether Kavalec's notes were submitted to the court. What is already crystal clear is that the dossier should have been inadmissible, yet instead it was presented as a verified document (which it clearly was not).
Are you saying that something cant be both politically motivated and also have legitimate non political motivations? Like there cant be more than one reason for something?
Is it not possible that steele had a political reason and also another reason like there being some evidence of trump and his team being involved with russians in a suspicious manor?

Trump seems very easily exonerated for some reason for you. Like he could murder someone and then you find out that the prosecutor didn't like The Apprentice and you would be like "see, no way he could have murdered the person cause the prosecutor didn't like trump so he is innocent!"
Obvious hyperbole but you get my point.
 
Did past presidents often get accused of temper tantrums?

Do you think it totally out of character for Trump to act childish?

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I cannot think of another president who has been accused of "temper tantrums" but I am aware of instances where presidents have become very angry. No I don't think acting childish is totally out of character for Trump. I wish he behaved differently, but in this particular case (and in many others) I think there is ample evidence that he actually did behave very differently than Nancy Pelosi claimed (and that the mainstream media reported).
 
I cannot think of another president who has been accused of "temper tantrums" but I am aware of instances where presidents have become very angry. No I don't think acting childish is totally out of character for Trump. I wish he behaved differently, but in this particular case (and in many others) I think there is ample evidence that he actually did behave very differently than Nancy Pelosi claimed (and that the mainstream media reported).
I saw a post earlier with the direct quote from pelosi and what she said was not temper tantrum or anything of the sort. But trump put words into her mouth and then you believed the fake news presented to you by the media and their conservative bias.
 
I saw a post earlier with the direct quote from pelosi and what she said was not temper tantrum or anything of the sort. But trump put words into her mouth and then you believed the fake news presented to you by the media and their conservative bias.
This is ****ing hilarious to me.
 
I cannot think of another president who has been accused of "temper tantrums" but I am aware of instances where presidents have become very angry. No I don't think acting childish is totally out of character for Trump. I wish he behaved differently, but in this particular case (and in many others) I think there is ample evidence that he actually did behave very differently than Nancy Pelosi claimed (and that the mainstream media reported).
I found the post from red about this.
Pelosi said that he stormed out of the room. Nobody said temper tantrum or yelling and screaming. But trump makes up the whole yelling and screaming thing so that he can show you that he was a victim again. and you eat it up.
 
In the session where Trump asked several contestants in his "what was my demeanor"? quiz, twice, including immediately before asking the first person, he predicated what he was asking by saying the Democrats "always" create the narrative that he leaves meetings "yelling and screaming".

Yet, in the Pelosi/Schumer presser after the broken meeting, all Pelosi would say about his appearance was "well, I won't even characterize it." Schumer said what he saw "would make your jaw drop". In her solo presser the next day, Pelosi said he "stormed" out of the room, and she pounded her fists twice on her lecturn, to imitate Trump's display before he left. I suspect, just a guess, that that might be what Schumer was referring to. And that's pretty believable to me. Nobody said he left the meeting "yelling and screaming".

But this is what Trump does. Makes up "yelling and screaming" before listening to his attendees echo his claim of calmness. He overstates what Pelosi and Schumer said, in order to enhance his victim card.

And in that same session, he brings up the central motif of his victim card. He was the victim of an attempted ”coup", a "takedown of the president". This is the theme he is selling his ardent followers, his base. It lends itself naturally to that base's belief that it has always been exactly as he himself said: they've been trying to take him down since he descended the escalator.

We should expect AG Barr to develop information from declassified documents to support this victim narrative. He will find something(s) that can be interpreted as helping Trump, and he will say not one word on anything that would reflect poorly on Trump. Which will be used through the election cycle.



This is banana republic stuff.

Nice try, but Pelosi said that Trump needed an intervention after his latest temper tantrum. She thought his family should do that as a favor for the country. She is describing very different behavior than other eyewitnesses to the meeting have provided.
 
Is Trump picked on? Hell yes he is. And thank God he is. That shows that some people in this country still think that a person's character matters.
I would be very disappointed and saddened if Trump wasn't being called out for his behavior.

Apparently there are some Americans who don't care about a person's character anymore.
That's sad

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You do know he was running against Hillary Clinton, right?
 
You do know he was running against Hillary Clinton, right?
Did you have a point to go with that question?
If hillary was elected and spent all her time on twitter and slept with pornstars and generally acted like a giant childish douchebag all the time then i would hope that she would get criticized greatly. I know i would bash the hell out of her.
But she didn't get elected and here we are with Trump. A horrible person so many people rightly critize and attack like crazy. And some people defend and even adore.
Tells me a lot
 
Are you saying that something cant be both politically motivated and also have legitimate non political motivations? Like there cant be more than one reason for something?
Is it not possible that steele had a political reason and also another reason like there being some evidence of trump and his team being involved with russians in a suspicious manor?

Trump seems very easily exonerated for some reason for you. Like he could murder someone and then you find out that the prosecutor didn't like The Apprentice and you would be like "see, no way he could have murdered the person cause the prosecutor didn't like trump so he is innocent!"
Obvious hyperbole but you get my point.
Dude, Steele admitted that the information in his document was unverified and politically motivated. Then the FBI presented that very same information to the FISA court, purported it to be verified, and apparently did not tell the judge that the author had admitted his piece was politically motivated. You can't see why that would be a problem?
 
Did you have a point to go with that question?
If hillary was elected and spent all her time on twitter and slept with pornstars and generally acted like a giant childish douchebag all the time then i would hope that she would get criticized greatly. I know i would bash the hell out of her.
But she didn't get elected and here we are with Trump. A horrible person so many people rightly critize and attack like crazy. And some people defend and even adore.
Tells me a lot

Fair enough. Trump was perceived as the lesser of two evils. I don't think Trump gets elected if he was running against a stronger candidate.
 
Dude, Steele admitted that the information in his document was unverified and politically motivated. Then the FBI presented that very same information to the FISA court, purported it to be verified, and apparently did not tell the judge that the author had admitted his piece was politically motivated. You can't see why that would be a problem?
Yes I can. Thanks for explaination
But should we be upset about the way the investigation got started yet pleased that it did get started so we could at least have knowledge about the collusion with Russia and knowledge that Trump would go to the length of obstructing justice if he felt like he might get in trouble for something?
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Fair enough. Trump was perceived as the lesser of two evils. I don't think Trump gets elected if he was running against a stronger candidate.
I would hope not but he definitely beat out the other candidates in the primaries when I don't think Hillary was his competition.

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