You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?
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Do you mean extended the QO?
I read it initially as Tony meaning that Bogdonavic is the only guy the Jazz would consider waiving Favors for if only one player was coming back. If the Jazz got Mirotic, for example, I think they'd expect that also they'd be able to get someone else with part of Favors's vacated salary spot. But they'd consider Bogie on a 1-1 salary swap.
Where did he say they would only waive Favors for Bogdanovic? I missed that.
zyzz
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In his Q&A today, he said that the Jazz have interest in Mirotic, Bojan, and Thad. He said if they let Favors go for one player, it would be Bojan. But for Mirotic and Thad they would only let Favors go if they signed additional players for depth using that 18.8mil in space. Not sure where the double speak is.
Cool.
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My thought would be to trade for Ilyasova and a pick from Milwaukee. Then, sign Portis for about $11 (which is the space we will have after trading for Ilyasova).
To me, Ilyasova + Portis > Favors. Plus, they would both be on more than expiring deals. Passing on free agency this summer to keep expiring Favors could be risky. O'Neale will get extended and we won't have much money next summer. We need to get long term value now that we have made the bold move of getting Conley.
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RandyForRubio
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That's a fun way to say, "I was wrong."
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Fun read. This is such a great year to have cap space, playing time and a shot to compete to offer....
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Odds of the FO rolling into FA without any meetings set up because they’re still paralyzed by this decision?
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I mean don’t you have the meetings in order to make that decision?
I think they have it backwards. Like trying to figure out if you should quit your job before setting up the new job interview.
Unpopular opinion (and long post) alert regarding the argument that we need to swap a small decline in defense for a big upgrade in offense:
I think the Conley deal may have already been that move. I watched two or three full games of Conley this season, specifically trying to focus on his offensive and defensive strengths. Defensively, I think the Jazz have taken a step backward from Rubio--hopefully a small step, but a step nonetheless.
For most of these games the Griz had Conley hiding out on the other teams' weakest offensive threats (for example, Mo Harkless or Marcus Smart). He rarely went toe-to-toe with the top point guards, at least during the bulk of the game. I certainly wouldn't call him a complete liability on defense, but he could be targeted and made to look very small when switched onto size (physically Rubio had much more of a chance). He has quick hands, good instincts, is smart, and can stay in front (at least in key fourth-quarter situations when they let him take on more talented players), but I worry a bit that he's going to be put in situations with the Jazz that he's not been put in for a while with the Griz. We may not just automatically want him to take the weakest offensive threat and hang out defensively for most of the game.
I certainly don't see the idea that we've been able to upgrade the defense, or that now we have a lock-down defender at PG, as some optimistic pronouncements have said. I see the Rubio-Conley swap as exchanging a top-third or top-quarter defensive point guard for a top-half one.
Offensively, I think Conley is a big upgrade. I love his floaters and that he's a real three point threat. I love his smarts and that he doesn't turn the ball over much. His best passing skill is the little pocket bounce pass off the pick-and-roll. Unfortunately, that's not a great match for Rudy, so I share the concern that (like Rubio) he'll have a real transition in making the vertical pass to Rudy. And I see how the fit with Favors could be great, as Derrick is one of the league's best as dealing with these pocket bounce passes.
So to get back to the original point: I think the impact of exchanging offense for defense (or vice versa) are greatest when the offense-defense balance is out of whack. So exchanging an offensive threat for Favors is likely to have the greatest effect when we're much better at defense than offense. It is less likely to have the same effect when our offense and defensive balance is closer (which I think we've already produced with the Conley move). Maybe we're still defense-heavy compared to our offense, and so the marginal returns for an offensive player might still be worth it, but I don't think the issue is as clear cut as it would have been before acquiring Conley.
I think the Conley deal may have already been that move. I watched two or three full games of Conley this season, specifically trying to focus on his offensive and defensive strengths. Defensively, I think the Jazz have taken a step backward from Rubio--hopefully a small step, but a step nonetheless.
For most of these games the Griz had Conley hiding out on the other teams' weakest offensive threats (for example, Mo Harkless or Marcus Smart). He rarely went toe-to-toe with the top point guards, at least during the bulk of the game. I certainly wouldn't call him a complete liability on defense, but he could be targeted and made to look very small when switched onto size (physically Rubio had much more of a chance). He has quick hands, good instincts, is smart, and can stay in front (at least in key fourth-quarter situations when they let him take on more talented players), but I worry a bit that he's going to be put in situations with the Jazz that he's not been put in for a while with the Griz. We may not just automatically want him to take the weakest offensive threat and hang out defensively for most of the game.
I certainly don't see the idea that we've been able to upgrade the defense, or that now we have a lock-down defender at PG, as some optimistic pronouncements have said. I see the Rubio-Conley swap as exchanging a top-third or top-quarter defensive point guard for a top-half one.
Offensively, I think Conley is a big upgrade. I love his floaters and that he's a real three point threat. I love his smarts and that he doesn't turn the ball over much. His best passing skill is the little pocket bounce pass off the pick-and-roll. Unfortunately, that's not a great match for Rudy, so I share the concern that (like Rubio) he'll have a real transition in making the vertical pass to Rudy. And I see how the fit with Favors could be great, as Derrick is one of the league's best as dealing with these pocket bounce passes.
So to get back to the original point: I think the impact of exchanging offense for defense (or vice versa) are greatest when the offense-defense balance is out of whack. So exchanging an offensive threat for Favors is likely to have the greatest effect when we're much better at defense than offense. It is less likely to have the same effect when our offense and defensive balance is closer (which I think we've already produced with the Conley move). Maybe we're still defense-heavy compared to our offense, and so the marginal returns for an offensive player might still be worth it, but I don't think the issue is as clear cut as it would have been before acquiring Conley.
“We decided to move forward with Favors because we didn’t feel we could replace him [we didn’t have any meetings lined up with anyone and they were getting snatched up left and right].”
No, not really. The Jazz have plans, but those plans are probably variable depending on the early dominoes.
The Jazz dont need to have a meeting with Thad Young to know if they want to sign him. He isnt their first option. He probably isnt their 2nd. He's probably their "well if no one else wants him and he gets priced down and we can pair him with another player who got priced down, maybe" option.
If someone wants to give Thad Young 15 million, or w/e (he got 40 over 2 years in the Duncan podcast, 2nd year partial guarantee). The Jazz arent interested in Thad at that amount, guarantee it.
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You still set up meetings with guys your interested in. The wording was funny to me. You meet with guys you are interested in as a way to help you decide what to do with Favs.
The "as" in Tony's quote may or may not mean "because." But I guess if you're certain that indecision is the hallmark of this FO, then I suppose the paralysis interpretation makes sense.
No, you don't.
You really want to have a meeting with Thad and be like "Yeah, we like you, but we'd rather wait and see if you get priced down by the market". That **** is potentially insulting to him. You just put out the info through twitter that you're interested and let it simmer a bit just in case.