What's new
By:

Singer Amy Winehouse found dead

Addiction is a disease, no doubt about it. I can see where Numb is coming from, but I think his opinion is tantamount to disagreeing with Evolution. You just sound like Hopper.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm saying doing something or not still comes down to a choice. Whether factors are identical for everyone is kind of moot to me. The crux of the 12-step program is that you are powerless over your addiction, yet you can conquer what you are powerless over by INVENTING a deity to submit to if need be.

It seems to me that accountability is becoming increasingly rare in our world.

Labeling doctors' very vast and unspecific prognosis as this or that isn't my point. My point is people have a heyday rationalizing behavior with vast, unspecific prognoses.
Click to expand...

So you agree that being gay and being attracted to the same gender is a choice that can be overcome by self-accountability?
 
Scat said:
So you agree that being gay and being attracted to the same gender is a choice that can be overcome by self-accountability?
Click to expand...
I don't even know where to start with this. I guess it would be to say that it's completely irrelevant, not applicable, and I find it significantly more offensive than my assertion that people in general could afford to be more accountable with their actions and those of others.

And sure, addiction in some cases is a disease. Calling it as such seems to be a crutch to a whole lot of people, though, and I'm not sure how calling it a disease helps a person battle what ails them. Unless we have a cure. Is there a cure for addiction yet?
 
NUMBERICA said:
That is such an inane, retarded, and irrelevant question, and I don't even know where to start with how to **** on it.

And sure, addiction in some cases is a disease. Calling it as such seems to be a crutch to a whole lot of people, though.
Click to expand...

Now you're back-pedaling. Either you are self-accounatble for your actions and behaviors or you're not. You can't pick and choose. Grow a pair and pick a philosophy.
 
Scat said:
Now you're back-pedaling. Either you are self-accounatble for your actions and behaviors or you're not. You can't pick and choose. Grow a pair and pick a philosophy.
Click to expand...

Everyone except for the mentally ill or mentally handicapped are responsible for their actions. I picked and chose, and the weirdest thing happened, there were more options than the ones presented me.
 
I'm sorry this turned into a semantic battle and that homosexuality is somehow being maligned with a totally crippling and universally destructive ailment.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Is there a cure for addiction yet?
Click to expand...

Actually, I was reading Scientific American yesterday and there was an article about how the use of hallucinogens, namely mushrooms, is being seriously studied for it's ability to help people fight addiction. Don't ask me how, but I want to sign up for a test study!
 
NUMBERICA said:
Everyone except for the mentally ill or mentally handicapped are responsible for their actions. I picked and chose, and the weirdest thing happened, there were more options than the ones presented me.
Click to expand...

Don't you think those who are addicted to drugs have both the physical and mental need to please their addiction? In other words, being addicted is both physically and mentally handicapping, or no?
 
I think addiction is a self imposed disease. You have to be a weak person to allow yourself to get that low for it to become debilitating and crippling. I wouldn't categorize it in the same group as cancer, which can just happen to somebody, even the healthiest of people.

And to the shrooms/halunigen study, that makes a lot of sense to me as someone who has done those kind of drugs before. Usually after you do them, you have a "moment of clarity" experience and are able to really look at your life in an honest way. If you were a heroin/crack addict, that outlook would be "Holy **** I am a loser. I need to stop doing this.".
 
^^^ That sounds like a reason for me to give them a try for the first time. Watched an episode of Entourage when they tripped on shrooms. Seems like fun but not this part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2QuZHz0Iqg
 
TroutBum said:
I think he was just pointing out that Cobain and Nirvana sucked, and shouldn't be put into the same category of the previous. I would agree.

As for this drug addicted tool, I say good riddance. Her music sucked, her attitude sucked, her face sucked. She was in a position of fame, had many fans that were young and impressionable, and this is what she was all about. Congrats, you stupid ugly bitch.
Click to expand...

Wait wait wait...I know you're Trout and all, but were you not the guy ripping on people in the Osama thread for celebrating death? Winehouse dying>Osama dying? I don't get it.
 
I didn't see it as Trout celebrating her death. I saw it as him stating his opinion is all. I'm sure he doesn't like Osama and will gladly say bad things about him if you asked.
 
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it was also made clear that he thought no person deserved to die and that those who are in favor of death, regardless of the situation, were in the wrong. Again, I could be off on this one, it may have been someone else. I just think saying "Good Riddance" in reference to the death of a young woman that we no virtually nothing about, besides her addictions, is a bit harsh, especially while being on the other side of the argument when referring to a mass murderer and terrorist war lord. I still heart Trout.
 
I can't remember exactly what was said either. I remember seeing something about her on the news a while back and my exact thought was, "How has she not overdosed yet?"
 
I certainly agree with this. Unfortunate, but it seemed inevitable. I never had any interest in her music, personal life, or 15 minutes of fame, but it's sad regardless of her demons.
 
Dtol17 said:
Wait wait wait...I know you're Trout and all, but were you not the guy ripping on people in the Osama thread for celebrating death? Winehouse dying>Osama dying? I don't get it.
Click to expand...

My beef was with the American public dancing around and celebrating like they'd just won the world cup. My second beef was that Osama was very likely murdered. Ya, ya, he was a murderer, etc. but he deserved a fair trial. With the eyes of the world on the USA, we as a people/nation, dropped the ball and became the very thing we were fighting against.
kwb said:
I didn't see it as Trout celebrating her death. I saw it as him stating his opinion is all. I'm sure he doesn't like Osama and will gladly say bad things about him if you asked.
Click to expand...

I'm not celebrating her death at all, but just like Osama, it's better that she's dead; or in other words, good riddance. She was a burden to society, a very poor role model for her fans, and an all-around dead beat loser.

Dtol17 said:
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought it was also made clear that he thought no person deserved to die and that those who are in favor of death, regardless of the situation, were in the wrong. Again, I could be off on this one, it may have been someone else. I just think saying "Good Riddance" in reference to the death of a young woman that we no virtually nothing about, besides her addictions, is a bit harsh, especially while being on the other side of the argument when referring to a mass murderer and terrorist war lord. I still heart Trout.
Click to expand...

Wrong. I am all for death. I support the death penalty. I do not support murder in the name of "freedom", and I sure as hell don't support celebrity losers who write songs about how they said no to rehab, spit in the face of good sense and decency, and then killed themselves slowly with drugs. Again, good riddance.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top