The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Zombie]

You could have not lied, especially when we're talking about lying in the first place. Funny how that works and that it's ok when you do it.

Unless you want to prove me wrong and show where I've talked about Hillary prior to this conversation.

IMO the left just needs to admit it put out the worst candidate in the history of humans and take the loss like adults.

This is a pretty clear reference to Hillary. But I will concede she is not the only target you deflect to whenever you attempt to defend Trump.

 

[fishonjazz]

I did a quick search and I haven't said Hilary once. The only thing I said was that the left put out the worst candidate in history. That's the truth and a reflection on the left not Hilary. Hell, if they didn't collude Bernie would be president. Not a word about that though from the hypocrites.

Not sure why you have to lie and make **** up, but it doesn't surprise me.

Actually there was a ton of discussion from Democrats about Bernie getting screwed.

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[Stoked]

Lmfao

 

[NAOS]

JazzyFreshSnowflake

 

[The Thriller]

He’s still stuck on it...

 

[The Thriller]

He’s still stuck on it...

And continues

 

[Gameface]

I did a quick search and I haven't said Hilary once. The only thing I said was that the left put out the worst candidate in history. That's the truth and a reflection on the left not Hilary. Hell, if they didn't collude Bernie would be president. Not a word about that though from the hypocrites.

Not sure why you have to lie and make **** up, but it doesn't surprise me.

The DNC colluded with itself? I don't think you know what the word collude means.

 

[fishonjazz]

BTW how much does

That this was no surprise. Trump wants his wall and so do the ones who voted for it. That fiscally a wall might actually save billions that we spend on illegal immigration annually. Again, I personally don't care about a wall but the wall is one of Trumps main platforms and he's getting no help from the left. To me he's doing what he has to. Just as Obama did with his Obamacare that the right didn't want.

Just want to help you understand the difference between what Obama did with Obamacare and what Trump is doing with his wall.

Obama got Obamacare passed through Congress.

Congress denied Trump his wall.

Presidents are not supposed to have spending power. With good reason.

The Constitution gives spending powers to Congress, not the president, part of the separation of powers that Madison crafted as a bulwark against tyranny.

The same Republicans who are cheering as Trump uses these unconstitutional powers will weep over it when a Democrat is in the White House.

it is dangerous to our liberty to let the president take the powers that belong to Congress.

When Congress lets presidents write their own laws, then he’s not a president, he’s a prince.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/andrew-napolitano-donald-trump-emergency-090230009.html



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[JazzyFresh]

Just want to help you understand the difference between what Obama did with Obamacare and what Trump is doing with his wall.

Obama got Obamacare passed through Congress.

Congress denied Trump his wall.

Presidents are not supposed to have spending power. With good reason.

The Constitution gives spending powers to Congress, not the president, part of the separation of powers that Madison crafted as a bulwark against tyranny.

The same Republicans who are cheering as Trump uses these unconstitutional powers will weep over it when a Democrat is in the White House.

it is dangerous to our liberty to let the president take the powers that belong to Congress.

When Congress lets presidents write their own laws, then he’s not a president, he’s a prince.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/andrew-napolitano-donald-trump-emergency-090230009.html



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So like allocating money to Iran with no approval? Or terms like "I have my pen"?

 

[fishonjazz]

So like allocating money to Iran with no approval? Or terms like "I have my pen"?

You brought up Obamacare in comparison with the wall. I was just showing you the difference between those two things you compared.
I have no idea what Iran was about or what I have my pen means.

However, whenever a president bypasses Congress and the Constitution for their own egos or pet projects we should be disappointed.

You seem to be disappointed over whatever happened with Iran and something about a pen. Which is fine if Obama bypassed Congress and the Constitution in those instances. You should be disappointed. I am too if that's the case.

I just ask that you be disappointed when Trump or any other president does it too. Not just the Democratic ones.

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[babe]

I did a quick search and I haven't said Hilary once. The only thing I said was that the left put out the worst candidate in history. That's the truth and a reflection on the left not Hilary. Hell, if they didn't collude Bernie would be president. Not a word about that though from the hypocrites.

Not sure why you have to lie and make **** up, but it doesn't surprise me.

Well, in all fairness.....

It was not "the worst candidate in history". For all those, including many JFC agenda wonks who consider this site their most appropriate place for political wonksterism, Hillary was everything they wanted. Sure, now they say negative stuff sometimes to deflect criticisms on the merits of The Agenda, speaking loosely of course, because nobody on the Left really agrees on anything about their beliefs or goals, which in fact do not even matter to them, but using the term to incorporate every dreamy little ideal of a better world anyone has every called "progressive" or "better". Lying, of course, to take the "high ground" of promising better stuff for the little man.

But Hillary was the very essence of total profiteering from government, and aside from a few loony pure idealists on the Left, I think most wonks, even in here, are looking for the angle where they can get in on some good action for themselves.

I'm sorry, I can't publish the donation lists and amounts from the larger political contributors, but making government "theirs" has a different meaning for them, than, say, the ordinary citizen who might hope to vote for an honest politician.

 

[babe]

You brought up Obamacare in comparison with the wall. I was just showing you the difference between those two things you compared.
I have no idea what Iran was about or what I have my pen means.

However, whenever a president bypasses Congress and the Constitution for their own egos or pet projects we should be disappointed.

You seem to be disappointed over whatever happened with Iran and something about a pen. Which is fine if Obama bypassed Congress and the Constitution in those instances. You should be disappointed. I am too if that's the case.

I just ask that you be disappointed when Trump or any other president does it too. Not just the Democratic ones.

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Well, you need to consider the issue in a more reasonable light.

When a President does anything necessary to defend the nation from illegal assault, I'm not gonna bitch. We play games with semantics, but the profiteering gangs who do the smuggling of humans, or who regulate the flow and collect immense sums of extortion from immigrants, I consider the political agitators and promoters of such traffic as deserving whatever resistance we can muster. The Dems have lost their bearing in promoting "open border" ideals, and are subjecting me and most Americans to harm, in many respects.

legal immigration measures are needed to break up the smujggling/drug running/human trafficking cartels. It is beyond indefensible to let this go on. The Dems not acting to help regulate the illegal traffick is deplorable and indefensible.

Trump is doing what he legally can, under existing law, and under current Court rulings.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well, you need to consider the issue in a more reasonable light.

When a President does anything necessary to defend the nation from illegal assault, I'm not gonna bitch. We play games with semantics, but the profiteering gangs who do the smuggling of humans, or who regulate the flow and collect immense sums of extortion from immigrants, I consider the political agitators and promoters of such traffic as deserving whatever resistance we can muster. The Dems have lost their bearing in promoting "open border" ideals, and are subjecting me and most Americans to harm, in many respects.

legal immigration measures are needed to break up the smujggling/drug running/human trafficking cartels. It is beyond indefensible to let this go on. The Dems not acting to help regulate the illegal traffick is deplorable and indefensible.

Trump is doing what he legally can, under existing law, and under current Court rulings.

Wall ain't gonna do **** since the invention of ladders and shovels.

Then there is the fact that most illegal immigration doesn't happen via locations where the wall will be.

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[JazzyFresh]

You brought up Obamacare in comparison with the wall. I was just showing you the difference between those two things you compared.
I have no idea what Iran was about or what I have my pen means.

However, whenever a president bypasses Congress and the Constitution for their own egos or pet projects we should be disappointed.

You seem to be disappointed over whatever happened with Iran and something about a pen. Which is fine if Obama bypassed Congress and the Constitution in those instances. You should be disappointed. I am too if that's the case.

I just ask that you be disappointed when Trump or any other president does it too. Not just the Democratic ones.

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Actually I brought up Obamacare in reference to the empty campaign promises. And I'm not disappointed in any of it. I was simply pointing out that politicians lying to get elected is a pretty standard thing and that getting mad at one guy for doing it while ignoring the next is straight hypocrisy.

 

[Archie Moses]

Wall ain't gonna do **** since the invention of ladders and shovels.

I don't care for a wall, but I disagree. A wall would prevent a lot of illegal immigration.

Speaking of that, I saw a pic online yesterday that made me laugh. It was a Hispanic dude wearing a MAGA hat or something that said, Mexicans Always Get Across. Haha

 

[Safetydan]

Just want to help you understand the difference between what Obama did with Obamacare and what Trump is doing with his wall.

Obama got Obamacare passed through Congress.

Congress denied Trump his wall.

Presidents are not supposed to have spending power. With good reason.

The Constitution gives spending powers to Congress, not the president, part of the separation of powers that Madison crafted as a bulwark against tyranny.

The same Republicans who are cheering as Trump uses these unconstitutional powers will weep over it when a Democrat is in the White House.

it is dangerous to our liberty to let the president take the powers that belong to Congress.

When Congress lets presidents write their own laws, then he’s not a president, he’s a prince.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/andrew-napolitano-donald-trump-emergency-090230009.html



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This is a great post. @JazzyFresh was wrong to conflate the two. He knows there is a clear difference but he isn't arguing in good faith.

 

[JazzyFresh]

This is a great post. @JazzyFresh was wrong to conflate the two. He knows there is a clear difference but he isn't arguing in good faith.

Actually I didn't. What I compared was the empty election promises not the allocation of money. You dudes are getting conversations crossed.

 

[fishonjazz]

Actually I brought up Obamacare in reference to the empty campaign promises. And I'm not disappointed in any of it. I was simply pointing out that politicians lying to get elected is a pretty standard thing and that getting mad at one guy for doing it while ignoring the next is straight hypocrisy.

I have stated many times that I never like it when I'm lied to.
You do apparently. Or at least are ok with it
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[fishonjazz]

Actually I brought up Obamacare in reference to the empty campaign promises. And I'm not disappointed in any of it. I was simply pointing out that politicians lying to get elected is a pretty standard thing and that getting mad at one guy for doing it while ignoring the next is straight hypocrisy.

Also this is what you actually said: To me he's doing what he has to. Just as Obama did with his Obamacare that the right didn't want.

So you were also comparing the way they went about achieving those campaign promises whether you wanted to or not.

They didn't both just do what they had to do. One went about it the way the Constitution intended. The other is doing what he has to cause he can't get it done the way the Constitution intended.

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[fishonjazz]

I don't care for a wall, but I disagree. A wall would prevent a lot of illegal immigration.

Speaking of that, I saw a pic online yesterday that made me laugh. It was a Hispanic dude wearing a MAGA hat or something that said, Mexicans Always Get Across. Haha

I think you should say "could" rather than "would".
Can the wall not be ascended or dug under? Is it indestructible and impenetrable? Is the wall magical?

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