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Does the Jazz FO have a "WIN NOW" mentality for the upcoming season?

I don't think most Jazz fan give the Jazz FO a "free pass" on criticism. I think Jazz fans want a title as much as anyone else. I don't think the majority of Jazz fans are so dissatisfied with the Jazz that they have given up and stopped watching or following.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
I don't think most Jazz fan give the Jazz FO a "free pass" on criticism. I think Jazz fans want a title as much as anyone else. I don't think the majority of Jazz fans are so dissatisfied with the Jazz that they have given up and stopped watching or following.
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I don't think I ever mentioned that fans have given up or stopped watching due to not winning championships. I don't think there is a way to quantify that statement nor do I care. My original post was a responce to Mfree, his post stated "They tried to trade up, but cost of doing so was so high it would have crippled them in the future. I suspect had they done so at that cost, you would have ridiculed them for their foolishness and branded them the worst FO in the NBA..I think some on here need to grow up a little bit. The outrage at how the Jazz are managed is misplaced My response is that the front office has sat on its hands long enough.
 
My response is that they are smart enough to generally avoid making stupid moves just so the fans will know they are doing something.

I don't believe they are sitting on their hands. Many teams make lots of moves trying to catch" lightning in a bottle" so to speak. The Jazz also look to catch lightning in a bottle, and do so from time to time (Millsap, Matthews). They have not found enough lightning to win a championship, but they are closer year in and year out than most of the teams that go through a shake-up most every year.
 
I think the jazz FO really do want to win and get to the playoffs.
but let's face it we don't have a championship mentality like other teams.
 
cowhide said:
It is pretty obvious that the Jazz as an organization doesn't really have a plan. The Jazz only have themselves to blame for the situation they are in. Giving a max contract to a good player AK and then not be willing to admit they made a mistake by never trading him. The Jazz would not be in this situation of potentially losing Boozer if they had made the deal with the Suns or if they hadn't extended Okur. So maybe they are trying to win a championship but they certainly are very smart about it.
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Yes, A multi-million dollar organization, that prides itself on putting competitive teams on the floor for over 20 years has no plan what so ever. Wha?
 
Milsap and mathews were hardly lightening in a bottle. They were very low risk moves that turned out well. lightening in a bottle is good team making a move and becoming a great team ie: Detroit-Rasheed, Celtics-Garnett and Allen, Lakers-Gasol and this year it looks like several teams have the opportunity to make some big moves to help themselves.
 
I know one of my main problems with the FO is their secretiveness. If they were more open about trades they tried to do and etc at least I would know they were trying. The secretiveness makes me wonder how much they really do try to improve.
 
theonlyone said:
I know one of my main problems with the FO is their secretiveness. If they were more open about trades they tried to do and etc at least I would know they were trying. The secretiveness makes me wonder how much they really do try to improve.
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Agreed. I think Custer changed to this philosophy right before his Last Stand.

"No, no, trust me guys, let's tell them how many soldiers we have, where we'll be and when. "
 
theonlyone said:
I know one of my main problems with the FO is their secretiveness. If they were more open about trades they tried to do and etc at least I would know they were trying. The secretiveness makes me wonder how much they really do try to improve.
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Problem is I don't think they are secretive - they just aren't doing much. Really i mean in today's world there are few secrets, if a team calls on a player it is reported almost instantly yet you rarely hear the the Jazz involved in these unless it is about our players leaving.
 
I'd be content if we had some real plan.
As long as we are headed in the right direction I can accept a few bumps in the road.
The problem with the last few years is that we have no clear direction.

They say one thing, and do another. Drafting Hayward should put someone's job at risk.
If he doesn't pan out like I believe most think he will, KOC and Sloan need to get the boot.
If by some miracle they see something we don't, and he becomes really good then we'll eat crow.
 
The Jazz have done a great job year in and year out of being what a small market team has to be to survive. Not over spend. Try to build from with in and the Draft and hope that what you have put in place pans out. The Jazz felt they had a good core with Stockton and Malone. It took them a lot of years to finally be good enough to complete for a championship and that was with a lot of little tweeks along the way. Nothing huge. I think the Jazz felt they had a good core with Williams and Boozer. But Boozer shot that down with his injuries and lack of desire to play defense. So now the Jazz need to start over and try to build from a core. If that is Williams and Millsap with others we'll see.

The point is the Jazz do have a plan. It is to try to build a team from who they have and are able to pick. (mostly because it is hard to get FA's). On this last core group they struck out because of Boozer I think. But to call the FO incompetent with no plan is wrong. We just are going to have to wait until the plan comes together. (which is what none of us want to do, we what that championship now.)

The FA spending on just roll players so far this year is already out of hand. Hard to fault the Jazz for sitting back and waiting until they find what they really want to build on. Then taking the time to see if it works out or not.
 
The Lakers had, by over $5 million, the highest payroll in the league this year: $91.4 million and paid about $34 million in luxury tax alone. In other words, an additional $68 million in "payroll" which, in itself, is more than the salary cap for an entire team ($57.7 million). I wonder which whining fan wants to give the Jazz $68 million so they can try to beat the Lakers "this year," eh?
 
Hopper said:
The Lakers had, by over $5 million, the highest payroll in the league this year: $91.4 million and paid about $34 million in luxury tax alone. In other words, an additional $68 million in "payroll" which, in itself, is more than the salary cap for an entire team ($57.7 million). I wonder which whining fan wants to give the Jazz $68 million so they can try to beat the Lakers "this year," eh?
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They are cutting back though. Phil is taking a pay cut remember?
 
Just pony up the damn $68 million, one of you cheap-*** fools, willya!? $68 million a year could get us Lebron, Bosh, Wade, and another first rate player, caincha see?
 
Last week I seen my neighbor's teenage boy out rollin on his front lawn, screamin, pullin at his hair, and just makin a terrible fuss, in general. I went out and axxed him what was wrong. Turns out, his parents wouldn't buy his *** the $250,000 Mercedes-Benz he had done set his heart on.

I wanted to help, so I offered to give him a ride to school in my '57 Edsel, which aint even completely rusted through, or nuthin. He told me he would kill himself before bein seen in a ride like that.

I said: "OK, then, fair enough. Best gitcho *** to walkin, I spect." Then I give him a swift kick in the ***, just to help git him started. I always trys to helps, ya know?
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
What's your plan?
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Do you have a plan? Isn't that why KOC gets paid the big bucks? The last three years all the organization has told its fan is to let this team mature grow together. Each year the team has gotten ousted earlier from the playoffs. They traded Manor to save money, they got rid of Brewer to save more money and to clear playing time because there is too many SF//SG then they draft another SG/SF.

They had a chance to trade AK and get some much needed cap space instead they took the conservative approach. Most people saw the financial problems coming if the Jazz were to keep Millsap, Boozer, AK and Memo. Now there is a good chance that they could lose their second best player Boozer, Korver (we gave a first for) and even their surprise undrafted rookie Wes Matthews because KOC failed to manage the finances of the organization. Extended Memo was a huge mistake regardless of the injury. It handicapped the Jazz much like AK's contract.

So i guess the orginal plan of the Jazz was to let this team grow because they were young and now what are we doing? Sorry but I really do not know what the Jazz are doing? Are we rebuilding or are we suppose to be patient forever. If we are rebuilding then get rid of AK, Boozer and do not sign Okur. If we are not rebuilding then play Fess, keep two of the big three AK, Boozer, Okur and use one of them to get the missing pieces. Offer Matthews a contract right away and match any other reasonable offers.
 
cowhide said:
The last three years all the organization has told its fan is to let this team mature grow together. Each year the team has gotten ousted earlier from the playoffs.
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Wrong, Hide. If they had only just won one more game last years, injuries and all, they wouldn't have played the Lakers in the second, and mighta been in the finals. Either way, they stomped them sorry-*** nugz without two of their starters. But, ya know, go right on ahead witcho bad self and makes stuff up, if it helps ya.
 
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