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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

tedbundy said:
316 Pages and it amounts to nothing since he won't be impeached. Furthermore, this thread has changed no one's mind and no one has switched to an alternate way of thinking. At least its fun to read.
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It’s now a virtual certainly Trump will be impeached by the House and almost as certain he will be acquitted by the Senate. The House requires a simple majority to impeach and the Senate a two-thirds majority to convict. Both the vote to impeach and the vote to acquit will be along partisan lines. Such an outcome has become a political imperative for both parties.
 
From what I've seen of the impeachment inquiry hearings thusfar, the case against Trump is very weak. Trump held back foreign aid to Ukraine until after several background conversations with Zellenskyy and his team. Fighting corruption was one of the topics discussed. The Dems are now trying to spin this as "attempted bribery" on Trump's part. However, it appears that no hard demands were made on Zellenskyy in relation to the Bidens, and the aid was released. It's a real reach.

It boils down to the Dems being pissed that Trump and the Justice Department are investigating corruption in Ukraine around 2016. Biden was part of that, along with several others in the Obama State Dept. Some questions surrounding the Bidens are legitimate as part of that inquiry.
 
Catchall said:
From what I've seen of the impeachment inquiry hearings thusfar, the case against Trump is very weak. Trump held back foreign aid to Ukraine until after several background conversations with Zellenskyy and his team. Fighting corruption was one of the topics discussed. The Dems are now trying to spin this as "attempted bribery" on Trump's part. However, it appears that no hard demands were made on Zellenskyy in relation to the Bidens, and the aid was released. It's a real reach.

It boils down to the Dems being pissed that Trump and the Justice Department are investigating corruption in Ukraine around 2016. Biden was part of that, along with several others in the Obama State Dept. Some questions surrounding the Bidens are legitimate as part of that inquiry.
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You're not keeping up. Nearly everything you just wrote was false. I'll correct your understanding. All of my statements below are completely confirmed by multiple individuals, many of whom testified under oath.

  • Trump held back foreign aid to Ukraine -- True
  • until after several background conversations with Zellenskyy and his team. -- False. That's not what triggered the aid being released. See four bullet points below.
  • Fighting corruption was one of the topics discussed. -- False. Neither Trump nor others on Trump's behalf discussed fighting corruption. They discussed investigating Joe Biden's son. That's it. That's the only "corruption" that was discussed. Well, that plus a stupid conspiracy theory that's not even worth mentioning. Corruption in general was not discussed. For that matter, saying they "discussed investigating Joe Biden's son" like I just did is also inaccurate. Trump (and surrogates) didn't even care about investigating Biden's son. They just wanted an ANNOUNCEMENT saying that Biden's son was being investigated. That couldn't have cared less about actual investigation of corruption.
  • The Dems are now trying to spin this as "attempted bribery" on Trump's part. -- False. While a component relates to bribery, it's more closely related to extortion and abuse of power. And it's not just Democrats; the witnesses who have testified about the situation have been non partisan. And for example, I myself am a Republican.
  • However, it appears that no hard demands were made on Zellenskyy in relation to the Bidens, -- False. A hard demand was indeed made.
  • and the aid was released. -- Halfway True. The aid was released, but not until well after the whistle blower made his/her complaint. (Which, by the way, Trump was told about essentially right at the time.) And not until after "Three House committees launch a wide-ranging investigation into the allegations that Trump, his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and possibly others, tried to pressure the Ukrainian government to help the president’s reelection campaign by digging up dirt on a political rival." Two days after that, to be precise. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/curious-release-military-aid-ukraine-n1082256
  • It's a real reach. -- False. It's no reach at all. It's a clear violation of the law, and without a doubt contains many impeachable offenses therein.
  • It boils down to the Dems being pissed that Trump and the Justice Department are investigating corruption in Ukraine around 2016. -- False. That's not at all what this is about. Also, Trump did not involve the Justice Department in his demands for an investigation of the Bidens. This was a political "investigation", not one by the Justice Dept.
  • Biden was part of that, along with several others in the Obama State Dept. Some questions surrounding the Bidens are legitimate as part of that inquiry -- False. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden and/or his son. And even if there were, it would still be against the law for Trump to demand a foreign government investigate his political opponent by extorting them by withholding congressionally appropriated funds the way he did
 
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tedbundy said:
316 Pages and it amounts to nothing since he won't be impeached. Furthermore, this thread has changed no one's mind and no one has switched to an alternate way of thinking. At least its fun to read.
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He 100% will be impeached. I'd bet the farm on it. He probably won't be convicted and removed from office though--as fish pointed out, those are two different things.
 
silesian said:
Bloomberg, mayor Pete or klobuchar are my three least bad choices. Dems will pick a candidate with worst chance to beat trump like Warren, because they like to lose.

If I had a non crazy republican choice I’d go that way of course (huntsman, Romney, others). But the party has gone into crazy land. Both parties suck but today’s republicans are all time losers.
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Wow, we have very similar views. My dream candidate is John Kasich. There's a very slight chance he could decide to enter the race on the Republican side. But probably won't happen.
 
Jonah said:
It’s now a virtual certainly Trump will be impeached by the House and almost as certain he will be acquitted by the Senate. The House requires a simple majority to impeach and the Senate a two-thirds majority to convict. Both the vote to impeach and the vote to acquit will be along partisan lines. Such an outcome has become a political imperative for both parties.
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While that's true based on the polling, say, from last week, if the public view of Trump gets moved by the impeachment hearings another 5-10% I think that changes the equation in the Senate. Right now I think it's about 51% of Americans think Trump should be both impeached and removed. If that hits 60% or close to that, I think he's done.
 
Zombie said:
And people are still acting like this is such a great mystery.
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Consistently, trump believes Putin and not US intel. he is the anti patriot. And a total moron. He believes whatever makes him look best despite overwhelming evidence.

I am not exaggerating when I say he will be among the top US traitorous villains of all time. Joe McCarthy, Booth, Benedict Arnold, Aaron burr, trump, john Anthony Walker, Mildred Gillars. His supporters will be forever tainted as anti Americans
 
colton said:
You're not keeping up. Nearly everything you just wrote was false. I'll correct your understanding. All of my statements below are completely confirmed by multiple individuals, many of whom testified under oath.

  • Trump held back foreign aid to Ukraine -- True
  • until after several background conversations with Zellenskyy and his team. -- False. That's not what triggered the aid being released. See two bullet points below.
  • Fighting corruption was one of the topics discussed. -- False. Neither Trump nor others on Trump's behalf discussed fighting corruption. They discussed investigating Joe Biden's son. That's it. That's the only "corruption" that was discussed. Well, that plus a stupid conspiracy theory that's not even worth mentioning. (a) Corruption in general was not discussed. For that matter, saying they "discussed investigating Joe Biden's son" like I just did is also inaccurate. Trump (and surrogates) didn't even care about investigating Biden's son. They just wanted an ANNOUNCEMENT saying that Biden's son was being investigated. That couldn't have cared less about actual investigation of corruption.
  • The Dems are now trying to spin this as "attempted bribery" on Trump's part. -- False. While a component relates to bribery, it's more closely related to extortion and abuse of power. And it's not just Democrats; the witnesses who have testified about the situation have been non partisan. And for example, I myself am a Republican.
  • However, it appears that no hard demands were made on Zellenskyy in relation to the Bidens, -- False. A hard demand was indeed made.
  • and the aid was released. -- Halfway True. The aid was released, but not until well after the whistle blower made his/her complaint. (Which, by the way, Trump was told about essentially right at the time.) And not until after "Three House committees launch a wide-ranging investigation into the allegations that Trump, his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and possibly others, tried to pressure the Ukrainian government to help the president’s reelection campaign by digging up dirt on a political rival." Two days after that, to be precise. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/curious-release-military-aid-ukraine-n1082256
  • It's a real reach. -- False. It's no reach at all. It's a clear violation of the law, and without a doubt contains many impeachable offenses therein.
  • It boils down to the Dems being pissed that Trump and the Justice Department are investigating corruption in Ukraine around 2016. -- False. That's not at all what this is about. Also, Trump did not involve the Justice Department in his demands for an investigation of the Bidens. This was a political "investigation", not one by the Justice Dept.
  • Biden was part of that, along with several others in the Obama State Dept. Some questions surrounding the Bidens are legitimate as part of that inquiry -- False. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by Biden and/or his son. And even if there were, it would still be against the law for Trump to demand a foreign government investigate his political opponent by extorting them by withholding congressionally appropriated funds the way he did
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Likewise, I'll "correct your understanding."

The Department of Justice has, in fact, been investigating corruption in Ukraine surrounding the 2016 U.S. election since May of this year, prior to Zellenskyy taking office. The investigation has been headed by John Durham, who has been in Ukraine and spoken with multiple sources there. The investigation involves congressional democrats, members of the Obama state department, the CIA and the FBI. This is not, as you say,"...a stupid conspiracy theory that's not even worth mentioning." It shows there was a legitimate and active investigation involving Ukraine, headed by the Justice Department, prior to Trump speaking with Zellenskyy.

This is why Trump mentioned to Zellenskyy that he or his new prosecutor could meet with AG Barr during the phone call of July 25, the notes of which have been released. The subject of Joe Biden was later in that conversation.

Trump asking for details surrounding Biden's pressuring Ukraine to fire a prosecutor tasked with investigating Burisma is a very fair question and well within his purview. There had been a larger pay-to-play scheme going on between the State Dept. and Ukraine. The only person who used the words "dig up dirt" on Joe Biden was Adam Schiff and that was him just making up his own dialog in front of Congress. The Burisma story has been public knowledge for more than 2 years.

As it stands, the foreign aid was indeed released and nothing was 'extorted' from Zellenskyy. The Dems are terrified that Trump will be re-elected and they're reaching on this, just as they have in the past.
 
silesian said:
Consistently, trump believes Putin and not US intel. he is the anti patriot. And a total moron. He believes whatever makes him look best despite overwhelming evidence.

I am not exaggerating when I say he will be among the top US traitorous villains of all time. Joe McCarthy, Booth, Benedict Arnold, Aaron burr, trump, john Anthony Walker, Mildred Gillars. His supporters will be forever tainted as anti Americans
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This is one of the most ignorant, ill-informed posts I've ever read on this web site. Congrats.
 
Catchall said:
This is one of the most ignorant, ill-informed posts I've ever read on this web site. Congrats.
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obviously you can’t refute it or you would.

just use the classic “I disagree with you opinion so you’re dumb” rebuttal.

come on, Reading your posts I know you’re not the sharpest knife, but you can do better than that. No?
 
silesian said:
obviously you can’t refute it or you would.

just use the classic “I disagree with you opinion so you’re dumb” rebuttal.

come on, Reading your posts I know you’re not the sharpest knife, but you can do better than that. No?
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YOur go to lol. The irony

Go Jazz
 
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