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Jazzta said:
Sanders would get into Trump’s face not giving a ****. I think Trump would gobble up anyone else on a 1vs1 debate. And I want the orange man out!
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I don't think Bernie Sanders can carry a general election. He still comes off as an angry and stubborn socialist. He appeals to a segment of Democrats, but most independents and Republicans won't go near him.

If Bernie's the nominee, he won't get 200 electoral votes.
 
Catchall said:
I don't think Bernie Sanders can carry a general election. He still comes off as an angry and stubborn socialist. He appeals to a segment of Democrats, but most independents and Republicans won't go near him.
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Is there not a reason to be angry?
 
Jazzta said:
Is there not a reason to be angry?
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Not really, no. Not if your solution is to open the borders, tax people to give illegal immigrants free healthcare and nationalize the energy sector to recreate Gazprom in the U.S. He's completely out of left field.
 
Catchall said:
Not really, no. Not if your solution is to open the borders, tax people to give illegal immigrants free healthcare and nationalize the energy sector to recreate Gazprom in the U.S. He's completely out of left field.
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I’d rather have our tax money spent in social issues that benefit the people rather than foreign affairs that we shouldn’t we involved with. Doesn’t mean that I agree with everything he’s proposing, but for that reason only he would be a tremendous upgrade. Not to mention the upgrade in image, decorum and manners.
 
Gameface said:
I could easily get behind Buttigieg. Will probably have to learn
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Zombie said:


So does this mean Trump is scared of Bernie and he needs to be the nominee if we want to win?
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If Bernie was the nominee a large number of never Trumpers would hold their nose and vote for Trump. Trump would love to run against Bernie. He is super vulnerable on his socialist policies. Even if Bernie isn't the nominee, the longer he's in the race pulling the party to the left, the better it is for Trump.
 
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
If Bernie was the nominee a large number of never Trumpers would hold their nose and vote for Trump. Trump would love to run against Bernie. He is super vulnerable on his socialist policies. Even if Bernie isn't the nominee, the longer he's in the race pulling the party to the left, the better it is for Trump.
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But that's the issue. The Democrats are already split between the moderates and the 'progressives.' Neither side looks to be in a hurry to compromise.

I'm guessing that at this point the DNC would be happy to run a Bloomberg/Klobuchar ticket. Biden and Warren have both fizzled. I just have a hard time seeing where Bloomberg shoulders his way in. He's been running off in his own lane, ignoring the entire primary process. And if Bloomberg does sneak in to grab the nomination, I don't really see most Bernie bros mobilizing to support him.
 
I don't think Trump has many arrows in his quiver against Bernie other than the Socialism bogeyman. Compared to the other democratic candidates he's clean as a whistle and has a remarkably consistent record on his policy going back decades and has the most fervent followers. (not unlike trump) No question he's a populist and the parallels to trump are a bit eerie, but I'm increasingly of the conviction that he's the antidote. Warren has shown herself bizarrely vulnerable to Trump's goading. Can't take here seriously after her bogus native american ancestry claim. I appreciate Pete's clear intelligence but it's way too easy to follow the money that shows he's beholden to corporate interests. Biden is dead in the water. Amy, to be honest I haven't made up my mind about her. If I didn't like Bernie so much I might consider her if I were an American democrat. (feel free to ignore this editorial BS, salty after consistent f word-wittery by the liberal media elite.)

What I really wanted to post was this. Yup, Iowa demonstrably shady as hell.


Oh, I'll leave this here as well, because it's something I've picked up on and I'm glad someone else is highlighting it who has a bigger platform than I do.
 
First she pillages off of the Natives now it's the poor.



I used to like her too but she's too fake to trust.
 
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Zombie said:
I'm not sure that someone choosing to donate three dollars counts as "pillaging," but I don't think I'd be highlighting it as a candidate either.
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Yeah I was reaching a bit there(being facetious) except I do feel her claiming to be a Native for personal gain is absolutely terrible. People bag on Trump but I think that's worse than anything he's ever done.
 
AverageJoe said:
I don't think Trump has many arrows in his quiver against Bernie other than the Socialism bogeyman. Compared to the other democratic candidates he's clean as a whistle and has a remarkably consistent record on his policy going back decades and has the most fervent followers. (not unlike trump) No question he's a populist and the parallels to trump are a bit eerie, but I'm increasingly of the conviction that he's the antidote. Warren has shown herself bizarrely vulnerable to Trump's goading. Can't take here seriously after her bogus native american ancestry claim. I appreciate Pete's clear intelligence but it's way too easy to follow the money that shows he's beholden to corporate interests. Biden is dead in the water. Amy, to be honest I haven't made up my mind about her. If I didn't like Bernie so much I might consider her if I were an American democrat. (feel free to ignore this editorial BS, salty after consistent f word-wittery by the liberal media elite.)

What I really wanted to post was this. Yup, Iowa demonstrably shady as hell.


Oh, I'll leave this here as well, because it's something I've picked up on and I'm glad someone else is highlighting it who has a bigger platform than I do.
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Good post
Bernie is my favorite (I loved him last time around. ****ing Clinton) but his age worries me. Not enough that he wouldn't get my vote but he is old as hell. (Of course so is Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if trump died from some kind of health thing in the next few years.)

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JazzyFresh said:
Yeah I was reaching a bit there(being facetious) except I do feel her claiming to be a Native for personal gain is absolutely terrible. People bag on Trump but I think that's worse than anything he's ever done.
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Anything he has ever done? He cheated on multiple pregnant wives. He paid a porn star to keep quiet after cheating on his wife with her. He stole from multiple charities. Stole from veterans. Made up a fake college. He has been accused of sexual harrasment/assault numerous times going back to before he was president. I mean the list is much much longer than just those. Come on man
You say Warren lied for personal gain (she said she truly believed what she was claiming because her family had told her about her native American heritage). Trump lies/commits fraud/ abuses presidential power for personal gain all the time
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