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Zombie said:
The problem, as I see it, is that we're almost certainly headed to a contested convention. I'm much more worried about getting to the convention with Bernie having a delegate lead and the DNC picking someone else, than I am about Biden winning outright.

I also expect the argument you are making here to mysteriously change when this happens.
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Why do you expect my argument to mysteriously change if/when we have a contested convention? Have I ever stated that the delegate leader shouldn't be the nominee?
 
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While I understand The Rat Sanders would be terrible for everyone outside of his communistic radical circle, I still am concerned that the DNC is basically stealing this election from the CBDUB (Commy Bros who don't Understand Basic Economics). It should not be the swamp Democrats who decide who they want to lose to Trump but the American people. Bernie has a chance yet the Democrats are basically handing Trump 4 more years.

Even as a righty this blatant act of rigging is concerning and I will even be the one who profits.
 
Catchall said:
Trump is vastly more coherent and savvy than Joe Biden. That's not even a discussion.
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You're right. You're absolutely right. It's not as if we have actual footage of a completely incoherent Trump. Even with a teleprompter:



"Tolerited"

Or suddenly breaking out in a completely incoherent rant against Adam "Schifty Schiff" in front of Finland's president?

 
Jazzta said:
No, by appealing to the younger generation, the group of people with the lowest turnout.
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Which sounds like a great way to lose an election. If we're hoping that young college aged voters save us, we're lost. They will not vote, for a variety of reasons. Their lack of a permanent residence, their inability to focus on the issues, etc.

The states we need to win for the electoral college:
  • Are older and whiter
  • Lower educated
  • More conservative and rural
As a result, a better strategy would be to target moderate adults like @colton who can't stand Trump.

The issue isn't finding a candidate who can boost young voters. Did you know that the election with the highest % of youth vote turnout was in 1992 when George HW Bush vs Bill Clinton. A Democrat has been villainized for being too moderate. What about those two excited the youth vote more than Obama?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/05/voting_in_america.html
 
The Thriller said:
Which sounds like a great way to lose an election. If we're hoping that young college aged voters save us, we're lost. They will not vote, for a variety of reasons. Their lack of a permanent residence, their inability to focus on the issues, etc.

The states we need to win for the electoral college:
  • Are older and whiter
  • Lower educated
  • More conservative and rural
As a result, a better strategy would be to target moderate adults like @colton who can't stand Trump.

The issue isn't finding a candidate who can boost young voters. Did you know that the election with the highest % of youth vote turnout was in 1992 when George HW Bush vs Bill Clinton. A Democrat has been villainized for being too moderate. What about those two excited the youth vote more than Obama?

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/05/voting_in_america.html
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Older and whiter, lower educated, more conservative and rural. Way to bring colton to your side...

You are strengthening my point. Precisely because they have the lowest turnout you need someone who they can find exciting enough to get involved.
 
The Thriller said:
Why do you expect my argument to mysteriously change if/when we have a contested convention? Have I ever stated that the delegate leader shouldn't be the nominee?
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Well hopefully in your case it doesn't, but I've already seen variations of this from a number of moderate Democrats pushing against a Bernie nomination.
 
Jazzta said:
Older and whiter, lower educated, more conservative and rural. Way to bring colton to your side...

You are strengthening my point. Precisely because they have the lowest turnout you need someone who they can find exciting enough to get involved.
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Colton has already stated that he'd vote for a number of moderate Democrats. I suspect key EC states with more conservative, older, whiter, and lesser educated populations would as well. Why alienate them with a candidate deemed too far left? We definitely do not want to alienate that coalition. They're the voters who will determine who the next president will be, not the young "woke" crowd.

They've had low turnout, even with "woke" candidates. Historically, young people just aren't a demographic that votes consistently, no matter what the candidates or issues are. Facts matter
 
Zombie said:
Well hopefully in your case it doesn't, but I've already seen variations of this from a number of moderate Democrats pushing against a Bernie nomination.
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I'd appreciate it if you would base your opinions of what my views of a brokered convention might be on what I've consistently said or done in the past, not on generalizations of moderate Democrats.

Again, if Sanders and his ideas really are as popular as some of you think, he should kill it today. But if he can't even win emphatically among Democrats, I don't know why he'd do any better against Trump. Seems like a pretty obvious point to me.

Let me clearly state, I'll vote for Bernie in the general. I won't in the primary. However, I'm not the key demo here. I'm a liberal and a registered Democrat. I've assisted in the campaigns of fellow Democrats in our state.

If we want to beat Trump, we're going to need to convince people far more conservative than I, to vote for someone who even I wouldn't have voted for in the primary.... Good luck with that.
I fear that Bernie gives moderates an excuse to vote 3rd party or return to the safety of "home" with Trump. This could easily result in the loss of the White House, continued loss of the Senate, and lose us the hardfought House gains in 2018.
 


Why aren’t the Bernie Bros upset with Bloomberg? Why aren’t they calling him to quit? Aren’t they against billionaires buying our elections?
 
The Thriller said:
I'd appreciate it if you would base your opinions of what my views of a brokered convention might be on what I've consistently said or done in the past, not on generalizations of moderate Democrats.

Again, if Sanders and his ideas really are as popular as some of you think, he should kill it today. But if he can't even win emphatically among Democrats, I don't know why he'd do any better against Trump. Seems like a pretty obvious point to me.
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Fair enough. I tried to word it in such a way as to not make it about you in particular, but clearly I failed there.

I don't think the logic of your second point holds together particularly well though. Take the 08 race for example, Obama didn't "emphatically win" among democrats but ended with a pretty dominating performance in the general election. At the same time McCain pretty easily wiped the floor against Mitt Romney on the road to ultimately losing the election.
 


I. want . to. be. President. Please. vote. for. me. I. will. read. this. cue. card. while. I. debate. you. President. Trump.

I have zero problem that he is facing the issues of an aging person. He should not be running and should be enjoying the retired life. He just cannot be the President of the United States if we want any credibility in the world. Say what you will about our standing in the world now (which is in a place of power and strength) but Biden will be an absolute disaster.
 
'Bernie Bros' I know of are quite emphatically against Bloomberg being in the primary at all. Many would go 3rd party if he did somehow win the nomination.
 
Eminence said:
'Bernie Bros' I know of are quite emphatically against Bloomberg being in the primary at all. Many would go 3rd party if he did somehow win the nomination.
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I'm really hoping that he falls flat on his face today and decides to call it quits. Pompous jackass thinks we need him in this race? We don't.
 
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