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Cougars 2011-12 Football Discussion

Beantown said:
12-0? You will be lucky to win one of the next two games, not to mention TCU. Also watch out for Utah State. Didn't they pound your asses last year?
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Don't they also play Hawaii at the end of the year out on the island? I think that's one that can easily be overlooked by fans. Going out there to play usually gave both BYU and Utah fits in the WAC years. Gary Crowton also saw an undefeated season come unraveled in blowout fashion a few years back while playing @ Hawaii.

At first I shrug off the thought of Utah State winning in Provo and beating BYU in consecutive seasons but after their performance @ Auburn I think you have to give the Aggies at least a shot. Gary Anderson coached teams (going back to his time as a DC) have usually faired pretty well against BYU. Not to mention that USU appears to actually have talent on their roster.
 
Bronco is in complete control of the D since they fired that other guy. He has always had essentially three looks . . . Max drop (rush 3), Blitz-man, and then the normal 3-4 zone. Nice to see Pendleton back flying around.
 
CONAN said:
Bronco is in complete control of the D since they fired that other guy. He has always had essentially three looks . . . Max drop (rush 3), Blitz-man, and then the normal 3-4 zone. Nice to see Pendleton back flying around.
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I think he was talking about the old "Star Wars" 3-3-5 Bronco. That was kind of cool alignment, but BYU has never had 5 defensive backs that were worthy of being on the field at the same time flying around making plays. We're lucky if we get 2 decent DBs out of 4 most years.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I think he was talking about the old "Star Wars" 3-3-5 Bronco. That was kind of cool alignment, but BYU has never had 5 defensive backs that were worthy of being on the field at the same time flying around making plays. We're lucky if we get 2 decent DBs out of 4 most years.
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I think he still uses some 3-3-5 concepts. Bronco's defensive philosophy has always been not to put a fourth guy in a 3-point stance in most situations. BYU could probably run whatever it wants for their WAC opponents given the talent matchups. But against better talent I worry about the pass game but confident we can stop the run.
 
To me, it's not about the formation (3-3-5 vs. 3-4-4). It's about philosophy. He could still be a lot more aggressive with his blitzes in a 3-4-4. IMO, he's just too conservative now. Maybe because he's the head honcho and has more blame with the losses.
 
is it heaps fault? wynn is having chow call his plays and heaps dolman. After a while if you are not taking any shots down the field the all of the defense has to do is spread out and watch those backs and WR flaring out.
 
Wynn was getting really great looks in the game and was just wobbling balls 3 feet above people's heads, at their feet, totally missing linemen dropping back into coverage, and throwing WAY ahead of the receiver's route. Just... the Utes should've won this game. And by more than one touchdown. Riley Nelson would've been an improvement.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
is it heaps fault? wynn is having chow call his plays and heaps dolman. After a while if you are not taking any shots down the field the all of the defense has to do is spread out and watch those backs and WR flaring out.
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Wynn is also playing a new style offense. He was much better in the spread.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Wynn was getting really great looks in the game and was just wobbling balls 3 feet above people's heads, at their feet, totally missing linemen dropping back into coverage, and throwing WAY ahead of the receiver's route. Just... the Utes should've won this game. And by more than one touchdown. Riley Nelson would've been an improvement.
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Yea Wynn isn't super accurate right now. But he also has no INT's. Unlike Heaps 3.
 
Beantown said:
Wynn is also playing a new style offense. He was much better in the spread.
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I don't think that it is the style it is the experience that is hurting Heaps. I'm not a college football fan and I will admit wynn is a better QB than I thought. But, I think that Heaps is going to be a special player. And if I was Jake if the don't start changing the way that they are calling games I would transfer. Because he is not going to get to the NFL as a pocket QB if he can only hit 2 yard outs every play.
 
You people calling Wynn a better QB must be watching a completely different game.

Wynn was throwing fly balls the entire game. Utah's receivers were wide open all night and could have made big plays.

Heaps meanwhile, isn't allowed to make throws with his strong arm.

Wynn meanwhile, is physically unable to make those throws.

If Utah had Heaps tonight, they would have beaten USC by at least 2 touchdowns. Utah's receiving core is plenty explosive. Unfortunately, they don't have a QB that can get them the rock.
 
The Thriller said:
You people calling Wynn a better QB must be watching a completely different game.

Wynn was throwing fly balls the entire game. Utah's receivers were wide open all night and could have made big plays.

Heaps meanwhile, isn't allowed to make throws with his strong arm.

Wynn meanwhile, is physically unable to make those throws.

If Utah had Heaps tonight, they would have beaten USC by at least 2 touchdowns. Utah's receiving core is plenty explosive. Unfortunately, they don't have a QB that can get them the rock.
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Are you on drugs? Heaps has 2 TD's and 3 INT's. Wynn has 3 TD's and 0 INT. Also Wynn threw for more yards tonight.

They both suck goat balls but Wynn is currently the lesser evil.
 
The Thriller said:
You should try reading the post before responding.
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You said if Utah had Heaps they would have beaten USC by two touchdowns.

Yet I am saying Wynn has been the more efficient QB so your argument makes no sense.

Its really not that hard to follow.
 
Beantown said:
You said if Utah had Heaps they would have beaten USC by two touchdowns.

Yet I am saying Wynn has been the more efficient QB so your argument makes no sense.

Its really not that hard to follow.
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Exactly. They both suck donkey balls, but I don't see how anyone can make the argument that Heaps has played better than Wynn.
 
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