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Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

I admitted that I overstated. I've chosen not to continue to harp on the mistake I pointed out that you made in this thread. Unfortunately, you're too much of an *** to extend the same respect to me. Typical.
 
GVC said:
I never made any claim about Jefferson's absolute performance. Go ahead and read my posts in this thread. The only reason I brought up the top 4 Western Conference teams was because you and Zerol mentioned his performance against "elite" teams. I wasn't going out of my way to discredit Al's performance in the least. I was just pointing out that he wasn't so amazingly better than Millsap, as Zerol was claiming.

Read my posts in this thread again. You're reading stuff that just isn't there. Consider the possibility that you're the idiot.

And, again, league average true shooting post-All-Star break is not "dominant". For a volume shooter who doesn't turn the ball over on a team with **** on the perimeter, it's pretty good, but not dominant.
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It's hilarious the way you constantly add on to your posts. For what it's worth, I'm guessing Al's TS% during those two months was amongst the top at his position. I know that blows your mind.
 
GVC said:
I admitted that I overstated. I've chosen not to continue to harp on the mistake I pointed out that you made in this thread. Unfortunately, you're too much of an *** to extend the same respect to me. Typical.
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Where did you admit you overstated? Was that in one of your famous addendums that I missed?
 
billyshelby said:
It's hilarious the way you constantly add on to your posts. For what it's worth, I'm guessing Al's TS% during those two months was amongst the top at his position. I know that blows your mind.
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I don't see anything hilarious about it. And no, I doubt it would rank in the top 10 among big men (it might crack the top 20). Millsap's was a lot better, for example.
 
GVC said:
I don't see anything hilarious about it. And no, I doubt it would rank in the top 10 among big men (it might crack the top 20). Millsap's was a lot better, for example.
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You "doubt" a guy who averaged 24 points on 54% shooting for 2 months would have cracked the top 10 during that stretch. My intellectually honest radar is screaming at me right now.
 
GVC said:
Right there, moron.
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Uh, I watched last season. The Jazz were in the hunt. Even if they weren't, 3/4 of the teams they were playing were. Those teams cared. They were jockeying for position. So they weren't about to let Al have his way in a truly meaningless game. The last 2 weeks were meaningless AFTER the Jazz collapsed.
 
billyshelby said:
You "doubt" a guy who averaged 24 points on 54% shooting for 2 months would have cracked the top 10 during that stretch. My intellectually honest radar is screaming at me right now.
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Lots of big men shoot that percentage AND get to the line (recall, we're talking about TS here). Go ahead and crunch the numbers. Narrow it down to big men who scored better than 15, doesn't matter. This isn't about intellectual honesty, this is a matter of fact. I may be wrong, but I've looked at a lot of the data (whereas you've looked at virtually none), and I'm basing my doubt off my recollection of that data.
 
billyshelby said:
Uh, I watched last season. The Jazz were in the hunt. Even if they weren't, 3/4 of the teams they were playing were. Those teams cared. They were jockeying for position. So they weren't about to let Al have his way in a truly meaningless game. The last 2 weeks were meaningless AFTER the Jazz collapsed.
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The Jazz were two games over .500 and were reeling. Did you really expect the Jazz to make the playoffs at that point? You know, since I made no claim about whether or not they were "in the hunt" in the post you quoted.

Again, I said I overstated in that very post. Why you're returning to the games being meaningful, I don't know. I conceded that point a long time ago.
 
GVC said:
Lots of big men shoot that percentage AND get to the line (recall, we're talking about TS here). Go ahead and crunch the numbers. Narrow it down to big men who scored better than 15, doesn't matter. This isn't about intellectual honesty, this is a matter of fact. I may be wrong, but I've looked at a lot of the data (whereas you've looked at virtually none), and I'm basing my doubt off my recollection of that data.
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Well, it's comforting to know you're basing your assumptions on your "recollection" of data. But my intellectually honest radar still pings when you assume that a guy shooting 54 percent, without checking his line numbers, or comparing them to others, would turn out worse than top 10. Al was probably top 5 in every statistic during that stretch. You could admit that, but then you can't ever be wrong.
 
GVC said:
The Jazz were two games over .500 and were reeling. Did you really expect the Jazz to make the playoffs at that point? You know, since I made no claim about whether or not they were "in the hunt" in the post you quoted.
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Do you think the Jazz played like they didn't expect to make the playoffs? What does your opinion or my opinion of their chances have to do with anything? I watched the games. They cared. So did the teams they were playing against.
 
billyshelby said:
Well, it's comforting to know you're basing your assumptions on your "recollection" of data. But my intellectually honest radar still pings when you assume that a guy shooting 54 percent, without checking his line numbers, or comparing them to others, would turn out worse than top 10. Al was probably top 5 in every statistic during that stretch. You could admit that, but then you can't ever be wrong.
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I was talking specifically about TS%. Your intellectual honesty radar has been broken for a long time (probably since the third time you said "this is CJ's year"). Go ahead and crunch the numbers if you think I'm wrong.
 
GVC said:
I was talking specifically about TS%. Your intellectual honesty radar has been broken for a long time (probably since the third time you said "this is CJ's year"). Go ahead and crunch the numbers if you think I'm wrong.
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I'm waiting for your data. I said Al's TS% during his two month stretch when he was dominant was top 5. Show me that he wasn't. For that matter, explain to me how a guy shooting 54%, averaging 24 and 11 with almost 2 blocks could possibly be a detriment to any team.
 
Among the big men (I've omitted some who also shot better. Tyson Chandler and Joakim Noah, for example, since their offense is all garbage buckets) who had a better true shooting percentage for the entire season than Big Al had for his best two month stretch (.565) are:

Nene
Dwight
Dirk
Andrew Bynum
Kevin Love
Pau
Odom
Al Horford
Emeka
Paul Millsap
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Amare

That's 13 players who scored more efficiently for the entire season than Al did for his best two months.
 
GVC said:
Among the big men (I've omitted some who also shot better. Tyson Chandler and Joakim Noah, for example, since their offense is all garbage buckets) who had a better true shooting percentage for the entire season than Big Al had for his best two month stretch (.565) are:

Nene
Dwight
Dirk
Andrew Bynum
Kevin Love
Pau
Odom
Al Horford
Emeka
Paul Millsap
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Amare

That's 13 players who scored more efficiently for the entire season than Al did for his best two months.
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Are you really this dense? My whole point was what players had a better TS% during Al's two month stretch of greatness. I said this clearly several times. What do you think you're accomplishing exactly?
 
GVC said:
I never said he was. What the ****?
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You SAID he wasn't efficient during those two months. Are you going to admit Al was efficient during those two months? I'm waiting. But I'll assume you aren't and have some explanation that requires ME to prove he was despite his numbers. I'm in bizarro world.
 
I'm showing that even during his BEST stretch, he was worse than a lot more than 5 players over their whole season. That's an extremely strong statement. If you don't recognize that, you're a fool. Crunching the numbers for that exact time period for all those players would be extremely time consuming, and since, as usual, you're not willing to bring anything to the table, this will have to suffice (unless you can collect some data). The truth is that since this is true, it's almost a certainty that my weaker assertion is also true, and even more of a certainty that yours is ridiculously false.

If those were the players' averages for the whole season, they probably hovered around those averages month to month. It would be highly improbably that for those particular two months 9 of the listed players shot considerably worse than their season averages. Further, it would be just as likely that some players below that number for the season shot better during that stretch. Once you also include the players I omitted for various reasons, the question of whether you're right is downright ludicrous. You're wrong.
 
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