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Gameface said:
This is like hunkering down for a major storm. At first you hope the storm doesn't come, but once it does you kind of want to see a good show. Let them decertify. That'll keep them off the court for a good long time, could possibly destroy the league. Then the players will be in control. Granted, there will be nothing left to be in control of, but we sure won't have the players to kick around anymore.
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You got it, sir! Now if the players would get out their old economics 101 books, they might figure it out too...
 
NEW YORK -- NBA owners and players have ended negotiations for the night after meeting for more than eight hours.

NBA commissioner David Stern said there is a deal on the table for NBPL. It must be accepted by Wednesday.

"We advised we would be amendable to do a deal on (terms reached Saturday) until Wednesday at the close of business," Stern said.

They met late into the night Saturday in hopes of ending the lockout before it could do further damage to an already-shortened schedule. Federal mediator George Cohen faces a difficult task in trying to help the sides close the financial gap that derailed talks again last week.

Stern already has canceled all games through November.

It basically sounds like a take it or leave it deal, Wednesday could prove to be the most important day of the lockout.
 
The deal seems fair to me. If the players don't accept they are just going to get hammered in the long run and the season will be over.

On another note, the players are so bad at PR it's mind boggling.
 
It seems that this is the owners' best offer. No more screwing around. No more bluffing. This is it. So now the players essentially have to decide if they're going to take it or decertify.
 
I haven't seen any specific details about it other than it's a 50-50 deal that could tilt in favor of players 51-49 if certain stuff happens.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I haven't seen any specific details about it other than it's a 50-50 deal that could tilt in favor of players 51-49 if certain stuff happens.
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The ESPN article makes it seem that the players can earn anywhere from 49-51%, depending on various (unknown to us) criteria. It could tilt in favor of the players 51-49. It could also tilt in favor of the owners 51-49. I'd be interested if anyone has seen articles mentioning the non-BRI specifics of the proposal, which the players apparently are still concerned about.
 
GVC said:
The ESPN article makes it seem that the players can earn anywhere from 49-51%, depending on various (unknown to us) criteria. It could tilt in favor of the players 51-49. It could also tilt in favor of the owners 51-49. I'd be interested if anyone has seen articles mentioning the non-BRI specifics of the proposal, which the players apparently are still concerned about.
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The players wanted mid level exceptions to be 4 years, the owners wanted 3 years, so in this new offer it would alternate between 3 and 4 depending on the year. Also, I believe that teams paying luxury tax would not be able to participate in sign-and-trades. I can't remember if any other non-BRI specifics were mentioned at the press conference last night.
 
And the exact percentage on the BRI split would depend on how big the pool of money is. In other words, worst case scenario for the players is 49%, but if BRI brings in money past a certain point, then the players' cut would increase to a maximum of 51%. They're calling it a 49-51 "band split", I believe.

From my understanding, based on how much BRI has brought in during past seasons, it would most likely turn out to be a 50-50 split, but they're trying to entice the players with idea that they might get 51%.
 
spycam1 said:
And the exact percentage on the BRI split would depend on how big the pool of money is. In other words, worst case scenario for the players is 49%, but if BRI brings in money past a certain point, then the players' cut would increase to a maximum of 51%. They're calling it a 49-51 "band split", I believe.

From my understanding, based on how much BRI has brought in during past seasons, it would most likely turn out to be a 50-50 split, but they're trying to entice the players with idea that they might get 51%.
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Sounds like they may be trying to reach an agreement without either side having the appearance of caving??
 
PKM said:
Sounds like they may be trying to reach an agreement without either side having the appearance of caving??
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with the egos involved, that may be the only tradable way to ink a deal, do both sides feel like they didn't cave. The player lawyer stated in the conference that they would not be intimidated by deadlines, so who knows what the players are thinking...
 
This is just good negociating. You tell the players they "can" get 51% but when you average it out they will end up closer to 50% or down to 49%.
 
2 weeks ago I had such hope. Now, I'm almost sure that at LEAST the whole season will be cancelled, if not more.
 
...from what my sources are telling me, the players, there lawyers and there agents are as stubborn as the day is long and they will not accept this deal under any circumstances as is! So, by Wednesday's deadline the deal drops to 53/47owners and the whole season is deep six-ed! Then 30% of the NBA players begin there new careers at a fast food service restaurant of there choice.....and the other 70% get hired as a freak show at the local circus!
 
carolinajazz said:
...from what my sources are telling me, the players, there lawyers and there agents are as stubborn as the day is long and they will not accept this deal under any circumstances as is! So, by Wednesday's deadline the deal drops to 53/47owners and the whole season is deep six-ed! Then 30% of the NBA players begin there new careers at a fast food service restaurant of there choice.....and the other 70% get hired as a freak show at the local circus!
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CJ, you're probably the only person around here who lives in a community that still has a local circus!!!
But I guess that's poetic justice, since you'll be surrounded by the entire membership of the NBAPA and their jailhouse tats!!!
woo hoo!!!
 
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