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Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

You are insane! Now I know you are a complete idiot! There is no way he is the 24th best big man in the game.

All you seem to care about is that Kanter gets his minutes regardless whether he deserves them or not. Did you not watch the second half of the season? Al was very good much improved. I don't care about what the numbers say about last year, his numbers are low because he had a slow first half trying to adjust to a more complex and structured offense then what he was used to at Min. and Boston's first come first serve offenses. Fore most of the second half of the year he was a top 5 scorer. He played a lot better within the offense, he started to pass better in the post, does he need to show more improvement in those areas? Yes. We all saw improvement in those areas and time will tell if he can improve even more, if he does he is a potential all-star.
 
Brown Notes said:
Nice backtrack. So far in this thread you have been all over the place. Contradicting yourself, talking out of both sides of your mouth, etc. For example, you said 3 posts ago that EVERYBODY in the NBA making comparable money is "better by margin". It was all too easy to put up a simple list of players and their 2011 salaries to show how stupid that statement was. Of course now here you go trying to say that guys like Hamilton and Arenas are more valuable to their teams than Al is to the Jazz. FFS, you are worse than the people that can't spell moron.

In your mind obviously your opinion is fact. When others clearly show that is not the case you can't handle it. Hence the 100 posts in this thread.
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Hamilton played an important role when his team won the championship you idiot, and he was an amazing fit for his team until they tore the team apart trading other players. Remember how many trade threads were there in this site including Hamilton.
Arenas was a superstar until couple of years ago.
First, your Big guy should play one game in playoffs, and then we will decide if he is one of the top big man in this league (which he is not). I am telling basically the same thing in all my posts but you keep not getting it.
Keep having your Big Al-Valanciunas fetish maybe they will play in same team some day, but let me tell you, i can count 15 much better big man than Big Al in this league very quickly, and that proves my point. If a player in his prime, cant enter among the top 15 big men in this league, he doesn't deserve to get 15 million per year.

Even freaking Lewis did something in the playoffs,he was the second most important guy in his team when they go to finals, that doesn't make he deserves to get crazily overpaid but at least he did something. What the hell Big Al did so far? Even Boozer, that most of us doesn't like, made some numbers in playoffs. But just because he is playing in jazz, i am not gonna believe Big Al is one of the top big men in this league because he is not. Capito?
 
sepanol said:
Hamilton played an important role when his team won the championship you idiot, and he was an amazing fit for his team until they tore the team apart trading other players. Remember how many trade threads were there in this site including Hamilton.
Arenas was a superstar until couple of years ago.
First, your Big guy should play one game in playoffs, and then we will decide if he is one of the top big man in this league (which he is not). I am telling basically the same thing in all my posts but you keep not getting it.
Keep having your Big Al-Valanciunas fetish maybe they will play in same team some day, but let me tell you, i can count 15 much better big man than Big Al in this league very quickly, and that proves my point. If a player in his prime, cant enter among the top 15 big men in this league, he doesn't deserve to get 15 million per year.

Even freaking Lewis did something in the playoffs,he was the second most important guy in his team when they go to finals, that doesn't make he deserves to get crazily overpaid but at least he did something. What the hell Big Al did so far? Even Boozer, that most of us doesn't like, made some numbers in playoffs. But just because he is playing in jazz, i am not gonna believe Big Al is one of the top big men in this league because he is not. Capito?
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I hope the lockout ends tomorrow, for the sake of my sanity; I don't know how many more posts like these my mind can tolerate.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
You are insane! Now I know you are a complete idiot! There is no way he is the 24th best big man in the game.

All you seem to care about is that Kanter gets his minutes regardless whether he deserves them or not. Did you not watch the second half of the season? Al was very good much improved. I don't care about what the numbers say about last year, his numbers are low because he had a slow first half trying to adjust to a more complex and structured offense then what he was used to at Min. and Boston's first come first serve offenses. Fore most of the second half of the year he was a top 5 scorer. He played a lot better within the offense, he started to pass better in the post, does he need to show more improvement in those areas? Yes. We all saw improvement in those areas and time will tell if he can improve even more, if he does he is a potential all-star.
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I saw whole season last year and i didn't see any improvement except the ppg, Maybe he was more comfortable in his role, but that doesn't make him marginally improved as most of the people here think. He made more points not because he marginally improved but because he marginally had to have more responsiblity and made more attempts. We already discussed this issues millions of times in this thread.
Also being all star doesn't prove a **** for me. Devin Harris was an all star too, Memo was an allstar too, then why are we even discussing, if they deserve 9-10 million a year or not?

You guys keep believing Big Al is amazing or whatever, but for me, a player should do more than putting 20 10 avgs in losing teams in order to deserve he is getting paid 14-15 per year. So if someday, Big Al puts 20 10 performance in a critical playoff game, and carries the team to victory, then i will discuss with you, if you are right or not. But right now, don't spend your time for convincing me he is completely something else than what i saw. It is pointless. You guys keep dreaming about him, and i keep dreaming about Kanter. Who knows, maybe someday you will believe Kanter will earn his mins behind Big Al by really deserving it, but i guess it will be a dream in a dream like in inception
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I think you are confusing Brown Notes with me. I am the guy with the Valanciunas fetish.
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No no, you are athleticism fetishist, that's why you like Valanciunas (being european and atheletic) Brown notes is Valanciunas fetishist, we bet with him whether Kanter or Valanciunas will be better player in next 3 years.
 
dalamon said:
I hope the lockout ends tomorrow, for the sake of my sanity; I don't know how many more posts like these my mind can tolerate.
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I do hope that too, even though seeing Deron play in turkey is cool. He had an amazing game this weekend again. You are lucky he isn't in Jazz anymore, otherwise, after lockout there would be so many more turkish posters here.
 
Ok I'm calling you on your BS. I want you to name 15 bigs that are better, and since Jefferson plays the C all 15 players you mention need to be able to play Center. I know you will ignore this request because I know you know I know you can't possibly come up with even 10 let alone 15 centers who perform consistently in the playoffs.

Goooood luck.......
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Ok I'm calling you on your BS. I want you to name 15 bigs that are better, and since Jefferson plays the C all 15 players you mention need to be able to play Center. I know you will ignore this request because I know you know I know you can't possibly come up with even 10 let alone 15 centers who perform consistently in the playoffs.

Goooood luck.......
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No lifetime awards either. Duncan, Garnett, and Brand are currently not better than AL Jefferson.
 
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