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Would Bogey, #30 and 2023 1st be enough for Wood? I don’t see any reason the Rox do that…but…
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, I dont think anyone thought George Hll would ball out so hard in the first 15 games or so to the point where he got super contract greedy.

Then it was the whole weird thing were he fired his agent and hired some random person who had no NBA clients.
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I would plan on moves being successful... wouldn't you? They ended up negotiating late and being really far apart... that doesn't happen if you do your damn homework.

Just like I wouldn't sign a backup center to a full MLE deal if I thought I was going to need to retain my starting point guard... like believe in your plan and execute it rather than letting it play out. If we had not signed Favs to a multi year deal or at least avoided the luxury tax (and starting the repeater tax clock) then it becomes A LOT easier to retain Mike. This is the sloppy work DL has done on the details consistently throughout his tenure.
 
oneye said:
They won’t take that package lol
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So in your proposal, we re-sign Conley.

We either keep Conley and play him next to Lillard or there is a trade out there that makes the team better by trading him.

That is a ton of assumptions and we would be trading Donovan for what reason exactly?
 
White Chocolate said:
So in your proposal, we re-sign Conley.

We either keep Conley and play him next to Lillard or there is a trade out there that makes the team better by trading him.

That is a ton of assumptions and we would be trading Donovan for what reason exactly?
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Because Damian Lillard is a better player and your contending window is the same regardless of which of them you have. Reality is written in the contracts, the rumors, etc. with what happens with Donovan in the next few years. I’d much rather have the better player, and it’s Damian Lillard over the next few years.

This interview with Tony essentially says as much, he actually says there’s only a 1 year window with this team, and if you want to think Donovan makes you have a better shot the next 2-3 years than Dame, well, you’re just wrong

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Handlogten's Heros said:
I would plan on moves being successful... wouldn't you? They ended up negotiating late and being really far apart... that doesn't happen if you do your damn homework.

Just like I wouldn't sign a backup center to a full MLE deal if I thought I was going to need to retain my starting point guard... like believe in your plan and execute it rather than letting it play out. If we had not signed Favs to a multi year deal or at least avoided the luxury tax (and starting the repeater tax clock) then it becomes A LOT easier to retain Mike. This is the sloppy work DL has done on the details consistently throughout his tenure.
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Dude, he fired his agent mid-season. I dont know what you want Utah to do. GH was being insanely unreasonable. I get making the FO accountable, but the GH situation just isnt one of the ones I would be upset about.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Dude, he fired his agent mid-season. I dont know what you want Utah to do. GH was being insanely unreasonable. I get making the FO accountable, but the GH situation just isnt one of the ones I would be upset about.
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That's fine to be unreasonable... then you use your excess cap space in some other meaningful way and table the discussions... we waited... and waited and did nothing. I'm sure Hill would like to have that one back too.

I ain't mad... it was a little bit of a dodged bullet. Its an example of his ****** planning. He wouldn't make a decision until the clock was at 11:59 cuz he wanted "all the data" the problem is by that time your data is ****... because your options become limited.
 
Listening to Tony Jones on Checkett's show, he said the Jazz basically have a one year window to win a championship. He thinks this roster has one more chance at a championship, say's this is such an expensive roster that is aging and if we go out in the second round again or even in the western conference finals there are major parts of the roster going to be broken up next offseason and the Jazz would likely take a significant step back the following season. He thinks they will try to add a couple of wings and a small ball center.
 
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Jingled said:
Listening to Tony Jones on Checkett's show, he said the Jazz basically have a one year window to win a championship. He thinks this roster has one more chance at a championship, say's this is such an expensive roster that is aging and if we go out in the second round again or even in the western conference finals there are major parts of the roster broken up next offseason and the Jazz would likely take a significant step back the following season. He thinks they will try to add a couple of wings and a small ball center.
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Essentially, there’s zero chance Donovan’s staying. So why not just throw every chip in and upgrade to Dame.
 
oneye said:
Essentially, there’s zero chance Donovan’s staying. So why not just throw every chip in and upgrade to Dame.
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Why not hold those chips… trade Donovan in a year for a lot more than you’d get from trading Dame in a year… I don’t think in a one year window Donovan over Dame changes your ultimate outcome. The one year isn’t necessarily about Donovan… it’s referring to Rudy and the other vets. If we don’t get where we want those will be the first changes. If the retool looks good maybe Donovan wants to stay. If it’s going poorly we trade him.

The one or two year window applies whether we swap Don for dame… I’d rather keep Donovan and I think we are better off when the tear down has to happen.
 
campaignist said:
I'd gamble on a much improved chance at a title and be mediocre for 10 years, than gamble on a mediocre chance at a championship and then try and not be mediocre for 10 years.
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I’m afraid the FO, and even Smith are focused on being willing to trade a guy they’re trying to please long term, who has no long term plan of being here. If you can trade for Damian Lillard, while not the same upgrade of Derozan to Kawhi, you do it, it gives that window more of a punch to actually happen. The window is the window regardless of which one you have, and Dame is the obvious choice atm.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Why not hold those chips… trade Donovan in a year for a lot more than you’d get from trading Dame in a year… I don’t think in a one year window Donovan over Dame changes your ultimate outcome. The one year isn’t necessarily about Donovan… it’s referring to Rudy and the other vets. If we don’t get where we want those will be the first changes. If the retool looks good maybe Donovan wants to stay. If it’s going poorly we trade him.

The one or two year window applies whether we swap Don for dame… I’d rather keep Donovan and I think we are better off when the tear down has to happen.
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Dame is a better player in the shorter vacuum. Your roster is there, you have a chance to take a major punch and you’re rebuilding regardless. If you can have the better player during that punch, you go get the better player. Dame is an MVP level player who is amazing in clutch situations. Dame is why you do it. PS, if you don’t go get Dame, someone else will, and if he ends up somewhere that’s a contender, your window closes as well.
 
I think the front office will keep their top 7 together (assuming Conley re-signs) and try and add a couple of wing defenders, a backup point guard and and a small ball center through the draft, taxpayer MLE and vet minimums. I think Niang is gone and they will try to trade Favors but I don't know if they will be able to get it done. I just don't see them breaking up that core of Don, Rudy, Mike, Bogey, Royce, Joe and Clarkson. If Conley leaves that throws a monkey wrench into everything.
 
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