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Penn State Pedophile Controversy

TroutBum said:
I just read the transcript. Wow. I'm reminded of the time I accidentally walked in on my cousin jerkin' off; there are things in this life that you just can't un-see, that, and that transcript are two of 'em.
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Eric? hahahaha!
 
just read that the president of the Second Mile charity has stepped down - - 28 years on the job

https://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11318/1189875-100-0.stm

The president and CEO of the charity founded by accused child molester and former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky has resigned.

The Second Mile, a State College-based nonprofit that works with troubled children, announced the resignation of its top official, Jack Raykovitz, this morning. He had headed the organization for 28 years.

A grand jury accused Mr. Sandusky of sexually abusing at least eight boys across 15 years, all of whom he met through The Second Mile

"Although the allegations against Jerry Sandusky and the alleged incidents occurred outside Second Mile programs and events, this does not change the fact that the alleged sexual abuse involved Second Mile program children, nor does it lessen the terrible impact of sexual abuse on its victims," the organization said in a statement.

David Woodle, vice chairman of the agency's board, will be responsible for day-to-day operations, the agency said.

Mr. Raykovitz testified before a grand jury that he had knowledge of allegations against Mr. Sandusky going back to 2002, according to a statement released by The Second Mile two days after Mr. Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, was charged with 40 counts of abusing children.

In its statement, the agency said Mr. Raykovitz testified that he had been told by Penn State athletic director Tim Curley that an internal investigation had found no corroboration for an allegation of inappropriate contact by Mr. Sandusky with a child in the shower of a university athletics building.

It wasn't until November 2008 that The Second Mile took steps to keep Mr. Sandusky away from children.

It was then, according to the organization's statement, that "Mr. Sandusky informed The Second Mile that he had learned he was being investigated as a result of allegations made against him by an adolescent male in Clinton County, Pa. Although he maintained there was no truth to the claims, we are an organization committed first and foremost to the safety and well-being of the children we serve."

Read more: https://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11318/1189875-100-0.stm#ixzz1dhX53G00
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so they knew about the 2002 allegations, but did nothing. and I'm pretty sure from the transcript that they were informed about the 1998 situation (victim #6 I believe, the one who's mother went to the authorities and initiated an investigation) - - but this group, whose mission is to improve the lives of children, took no action for over 10 years...

cover up
cover up
cover up


I just feel like it has to go further than what we know
 
NUMBERICA said:
I take it you didn't read the report then. McQuery said in no uncertain terms that Sandusky was raping a child in the shower. A head coach of a powerhouse program can't really have the mental incapacity to not remember that and I believe he knew but was more interested in deluding himself and protecting the program. There is danger in loyalty.
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Unfortunately I did read all 23 pages of the GJ report. There is no mention that McQueary told Joe he witnessed a rape, and last Sunday Paterno released a statement claiming he was not told the incident was criminal. There is cleary no mention that Joe attempted to follow-up, but there is also no mention that he did not attempt to. It should also be noted that Paterno was not charged with perjury, that the grand jury credited Paterno with credible testimony and last Thursday the attorney general still labled him as a credible witness.

I am extremely disappointed in how Paterno handled the situation - and he clearly should no longer be permitted to coach at Penn State. If your theories are correct then I will be right next to you in condemming him for his role in a cover-up, but there are still many blanks left in the report, many questions still unanswered and until they are the rest is speculation and uninformed conjecture.

I also fully agree with those who claim McQueary should be held even more to blame - and initially I was adamant that he should have be fired immediately. I still wish he would be - but the word is McQueary's job is legally protected due to whistleblower laws.
 
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candrew said:
Big time college sports programs are like the mafia - instead of the FBI after them it's the NCAA. It's a closed community and ratting out someone is an automatic death sentence. This idiot couldn't see the forest through the trees because he lives in that world. He probably had dreams of moving up the ladder and some day being an OC, DC or even a head coach. And if the higher ups weren't going to blow the whistle on this creep why should he? Sick, I know.
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Good point. McQuery probably thought Paterno could (and would) take care of it and he could be left out of it - and he would be in the clear as to his job situation. Not saying that's right. I had forgotten about the Baylor incident and Bliss cover-up. In the case of that assistant, the old adage about "no good deed goes unpunished" certainly held true.
 
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it here yet but what is most frightening in many ways in my opinion, which is not being talked about nearly enough, is the sudden disappearance of the DA who had been investigating the case, Ray Gricar. The police are saying there was no link. Right.
 
Heard this interview with Sandusky on the radio at work today. Listen to his answers to the question at 7:10 . This sick **** will rot in hell.
 
Chris-L said:
Heard this interview with Sandusky on the radio at work today. Listen to his answers to the question at 7:10 . This sick **** will rot in hell.
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It's not considered horse play anymore once your balls come out.
 
SalmonHobo said:
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned it here yet but what is most frightening in many ways in my opinion, which is not being talked about nearly enough, is the sudden disappearance of the DA who had been investigating the case, Ray Gricar. The police are saying there was no link. Right.
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I am not sure if you watch Investigation Discovery or not. They have a show called Disappeared that detailed his case along with a lot of others. I think it is very unlikely the cases are connected. Gricar was said to have mood swings throughout his life. In the final days prior to his disappearance, he was in one of his darker moods and sleeping a lot during the day. He was also planning to retire not too long before his disappearance. As you might know, they found his laptop HD in the river next to the parking lot where his car was found. He asked people prior to his disappearance how to erase a HD completely. The river by where his car was parked was the river his brother supposedly committed suicide in years earlier. My best guess is that he killed himself there. They have theories of why the body was never found.
 
I'm sure all GAs at every single major college football school are instructed in not so friendly terms that any discretion they see within the program's reach should be reported up the line of command and not immediately to the police.

And if there's negative reaction to this mindset, the response is, "you don't get it," and one's loyalty and commitment come into question, an integral part to whether one keeps jobs in college football.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I'm sure all GAs at every single major college football school are instructed in not so friendly terms that any discretion they see within the program's reach should be reported up the line of command and not immediately to the police.

And if there's negative reaction to this mindset, the response is, "you don't get it," and one's loyalty and commitment come into question, an integral part to whether one keeps jobs in college football.
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fyi Darkwing - don't you mean any "indiscretion" they see?

anyhow, truthfully, it's probably the same mantra for most administrators in any setting, but particularly in a school setting. Schools are very hierarchical - more so than many companies. At most schools, one of the biggest violations of all seems to be bypassing the "chain of command" - - and the public relations person would certainly be contacted before the police unless it was an immediate crisis.


there was an interesting article yesterday that explains how Pennsylvania law differs from most other localities


https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204190504577036513196362348.html

...In Pennsylvania, a teacher is required to report suspected child abuse to an administrator who in turn is required to notify the police and the district attorney. No school officials are required to call the state's child abuse hot line.

By contrast, in most cases, non-school child-care professionals such as doctors or day care workers are required to report suspected cases of abuse by a parent to the state hot line. If doctors and others suspect abuse by a teacher they are required to call the police.

"The sticking point in Pennsylvania is where does that first call go," said Ms. Palm, of the Protect Our Children Committee.

Last year, roughly 120,000 calls were made to the state hot line for child abuse calls administered by the state Department of Public Welfare. About 24,000 cases were investigated, three-quarters of which came from mandatory reporters, and 3,600 cases were substantiated as abuse.

In 2009, the rate of investigations in Pennsylvania, 8.3 per 1,000 children is lower than the national average of 40.3 per 1,000, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The rate of rate of substantiated cases of child abuse was also lower: 1.4 per 1,000 in Pennsylvania compared with 9.3 per 1,000 nationally.

Ms. Palm attributed the lower rates in Pennsylvania to how the state defines abuse and handles cases. For instance, even a child who is injured is not considered abused if a perpetrator can't be identified, she said.
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Darkwing Duck said:
I'm sure all GAs at every single major college football school are instructed in not so friendly terms that any discretion they see within the program's reach should be reported up the line of command and not immediately to the police.
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I'd like to believe any rational adult would be able to discern between an indiscretion and a heinous crime.
 
freakazoid said:
I'd like to believe any rational adult would be able to discern between an indiscretion and a heinous crime.
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It's more complicated than that. I've recently read an admission from a soldier who was trained to react a certain way once a fire fight began. The first time he encountered enemy fire, he did not act the way he was supposed to. Shock does quite a number on decision making.

I'll use an analogy. Say you come across someone who just as you see him, shoots another person. I'm sure the immediate thought would be one of two things, get the hell out of there, or stop the gunman. I highly doubt the first thought would be of the victim, and stopping the gunman is probably not the reaction most would have.

The difference in this case is that there's no immediate threat to the witness, but the shock remains the same. While not holding a gun, Sandusky had an aura of power within the Penn State football family, so confronting the man was the less likely of the two actions McQueary had.

Once the shock wore off is when the wheels start turning. Think of it this way, by the time McQueary came to his senses, Sandusky and the kid were likely long gone. Had McQueary called the police and reported the incident, he would have had no way of proving Sandusky assaulted the kid, as McQueary didn't recognize the boy and Sandusky sure wouldn't have offered his name. I'm willing to bet that McQueary thought people in and out of Penn State would just see the accusation as some GA trying to make a name for himself by targeting a revered figure of Penn State, so he called his father for advice, and was advised to go up the chain of command and report the incident to the head coach, which he did.

I just don't think the original witness has nearly as much culpability as those with power and influence who swept the whole thing under the rug and hoped it would never see the light of day again.
 
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