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I feel like a broken record but, we really shouldn't have to count on 6'4" Royce O'Neale to be our second best rebounder.
It wouldn't be as much of an issue if Donovan/Bogey made efforts to track rebounds, but they don't. Our 3rd best rebounder in our clutch lineups (be defensive rebound percentage) is Mike Conley (and Conley is probably average to just below average in that regard as well).
 
It wouldn't be as much of an issue if Donovan/Bogey made efforts to track rebounds, but they don't. Our 3rd best rebounder in our clutch lineups (be defensive rebound percentage) is Mike Conley (and Conley is probably average to just below average in that regard as well).
Watching the clips gang rebound in the playoffs was really eye opening. I think having some additional length and athleticism helps a lot but it’s also effort/focus/being connected.
 
I'm in on getting John Collins, but I think that's more of a on-the-fly mini-rebuild than it is improving this iteration of the team. I think Conley would have to just be gone for it to begin to make sense, unfortunately. More than that, I just don't think that of all 30 teams, the Jazz provide the best haul for the Hawks AND most preferred destination for Collins.
 
lmao. lmao.
lmao I left the only relevant thing you said lmao. You like to lmao to try to reinforce your point when it is all conjecture lmao and the lmao is your version of ad hominem lmao. The warriors were a top-notch team without Durant lmao. You are being hyper-revisionist by trying to build some story about the only way they could win anything was by pure luck lmao. Fact is no one proved they could be beaten except Lebron's best finals performance of his career lmao. lmao.
 
Here is my trade two trade pivot...

We trade Bojan and #30 for Bledsoe and #10 - Might be two big of a jump back for NO... if so you might be able to merge the two trades I'm doing.

Then you flip #10 to OKC with Favs for #18, #34, Kenrich Williams and Isiah Roby. OKC is almost certainly going to consolidate picks at some point.

Bledsoe comes off the bench if Mike is retained... this is a wonky fit with Clarkson and Ingles off the bench, but maybe you push Joe to the starting lineup... we'd at least have options. Bledsoe is a Mike contingency plan if Mike up and leaves. You could also move JC to fill other holes.

Williams plays a lot of minutes and gives us a lot of things Bogey lacks... its likely a big step back shooting though. In this scenario we've cleared enough salary to use taxpayer MLE without Ryan selling his wife's dance studios. Roby has a chance to be the 4/5 guy we lack that we have wanted. Both guys are cheap and productive with upside. Plan on playing Roby and Udoka depending on need.... sign a vet minimum guy to provide a stable fallback... I'd suggest Udoh as a potential mentor for Udoka and solid vet option if Roby and Udoka suck.

#18 and #34 you take a couple bites at the apple... hope to hit on something big.

Use your taxpayer MLE on Batum...

You have:

Mike
Don
Royce
Rudy
Batum or Williams or Joe

With a bench of
JC
Bledsoe
Joe/Batum/Williams
Roby/Udoka
 
Watching the clips gang rebound in the playoffs was really eye opening. I think having some additional length and athleticism helps a lot but it’s also effort/focus/being connected.
Rebounding is 80% effort. One of the years on my high school team we had a shorter team, and rebounding was an issue. I was a 6'2" PG/Combo guard but I ended up playing 4 positions, and I was one of the better rebounders on the team (average just under 7 rpg). Our coach preached this, that effort and technique can overcome pure physical size and he was right. We consistent out-rebounded bigger teams because we drilled it and it was part of our identity. Our biggest player was 6'5" and he was one of the best rebounders in the state that year, consistently over anyone at 6'8" and bigger. Our coach taught us that, that rebounding is 80% effort and technique. And he was right. Frankly at the NBA level it's about making it a priority for each player. That's what the clippers did and it worked. We only have about 2 or 3 people really concerned with it at all, but everyone needs to buy in. And yes, we need much more length on the wings.
 
Here is my trade two trade pivot...

We trade Bojan and #30 for Bledsoe and #10 - Might be two big of a jump back for NO... if so you might be able to merge the two trades I'm doing.

Then you flip #10 to OKC with Favs for #18, #34, Kenrich Williams and Isiah Roby. OKC is almost certainly going to consolidate picks at some point.

Bledsoe comes off the bench if Mike is retained... this is a wonky fit with Clarkson and Ingles off the bench, but maybe you push Joe to the starting lineup... we'd at least have options. Bledsoe is a Mike contingency plan if Mike up and leaves. You could also move JC to fill other holes.

Williams plays a lot of minutes and gives us a lot of things Bogey lacks... its likely a big step back shooting though. In this scenario we've cleared enough salary to use taxpayer MLE without Ryan selling his wife's dance studios. Roby has a chance to be the 4/5 guy we lack that we have wanted. Both guys are cheap and productive with upside. Plan on playing Roby and Udoka depending on need.... sign a vet minimum guy to provide a stable fallback... I'd suggest Udoh as a potential mentor for Udoka and solid vet option if Roby and Udoka suck.

#18 and #34 you take a couple bites at the apple... hope to hit on something big.

Use your taxpayer MLE on Batum...

You have:

Mike
Don
Royce
Rudy
Batum or Williams or Joe

With a bench of
JC
Bledsoe
Joe/Batum/Williams
Roby/Udoka
I really like Joe as a starter. He has finally learned to be fairly productive off the bench, but realistically his best minutes since he got here, all the way through last season, have been as a starter.
 
I really like Joe as a starter. He has finally learned to be fairly productive off the bench, but realistically his best minutes since he got here, all the way through last season, have been as a starter.
Those deals would give us multiple wing defenders and a guard defender we have lacked. So you hopefully get more from Joe, Royce, Mike because they won't be as worn down.

The NO deal is a stretch but they need shooting and Zion has already been making noise about not wanting to be there.
 
lmao I left the only relevant thing you said lmao. You like to lmao to try to reinforce your point when it is all conjecture lmao and the lmao is your version of ad hominem lmao. The warriors were a top-notch team without Durant lmao. You are being hyper-revisionist by trying to build some story about the only way they could win anything was by pure luck lmao. Fact is no one proved they could be beaten except Lebron's best finals performance of his career lmao. lmao.
They were a great team. They also had an incredible run of injury luck in their only non-Durant championship, including Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love missing the entire finals (besides Game 1 for Kyrie). The only time they beat Durant was due to an incredible amount of luck.

But yeah, the team that won a Championship vs a starting lineup of Iman Shumpert, TImofey Mozgov, Matthew Delavadova, and Tristan THompson is clearly the best ever and wouldn't have been beaten without adding DUrant (a guy Draymond literally cried on the phone to after losing to a healthy Lebron team).
 
lmao I left the only relevant thing you said lmao. You like to lmao to try to reinforce your point when it is all conjecture lmao and the lmao is your version of ad hominem lmao. The warriors were a top-notch team without Durant lmao. You are being hyper-revisionist by trying to build some story about the only way they could win anything was by pure luck lmao. Fact is no one proved they could be beaten except Lebron's best finals performance of his career lmao. lmao.
The Warriors, before Durant, were one of the best teams in the modern era. They had a great combination of talent with Curry, Klay, Iggy, Barnes and Draymond. 4 switchable defenders and 5 guys who could hit the occasional 3.

They beat and then were beat by a guy who is arguably the best ever at that moment in time. Due to roster transition and injuries, the Warriors would have won 1 of the 2 they got with Durant even without him. If he stayed in OKC, he would have still been a weak leader on a non title contending roster.

I don't care who you are arguing with- the Warriors were absolutely amazing. They would have won another title even without Durant. They would have still had Barnes if they wanted.


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Here is my trade two trade pivot...

We trade Bojan and #30 for Bledsoe and #10 - Might be two big of a jump back for NO... if so you might be able to merge the two trades I'm doing.

Then you flip #10 to OKC with Favs for #18, #34, Kenrich Williams and Isiah Roby. OKC is almost certainly going to consolidate picks at some point.

Bledsoe comes off the bench if Mike is retained... this is a wonky fit with Clarkson and Ingles off the bench, but maybe you push Joe to the starting lineup... we'd at least have options. Bledsoe is a Mike contingency plan if Mike up and leaves. You could also move JC to fill other holes.

Williams plays a lot of minutes and gives us a lot of things Bogey lacks... its likely a big step back shooting though. In this scenario we've cleared enough salary to use taxpayer MLE without Ryan selling his wife's dance studios. Roby has a chance to be the 4/5 guy we lack that we have wanted. Both guys are cheap and productive with upside. Plan on playing Roby and Udoka depending on need.... sign a vet minimum guy to provide a stable fallback... I'd suggest Udoh as a potential mentor for Udoka and solid vet option if Roby and Udoka suck.

#18 and #34 you take a couple bites at the apple... hope to hit on something big.

Use your taxpayer MLE on Batum...

You have:

Mike
Don
Royce
Rudy
Batum or Williams or Joe

With a bench of
JC
Bledsoe
Joe/Batum/Williams
Roby/Udoka
Not a bad idea, but I don't have faith that we would rely on late picks in the playoffs. So it comes down to Bledsoe vs Bojan. I'm not that high on Bledsoe. I think a Bojan trade needs to be a strong one.

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Rebounding is 80% effort. One of the years on my high school team we had a shorter team, and rebounding was an issue. I was a 6'2" PG/Combo guard but I ended up playing 4 positions, and I was one of the better rebounders on the team (average just under 7 rpg). Our coach preached this, that effort and technique can overcome pure physical size and he was right. We consistent out-rebounded bigger teams because we drilled it and it was part of our identity. Our biggest player was 6'5" and he was one of the best rebounders in the state that year, consistently over anyone at 6'8" and bigger. Our coach taught us that, that rebounding is 80% effort and technique. And he was right. Frankly at the NBA level it's about making it a priority for each player. That's what the clippers did and it worked. We only have about 2 or 3 people really concerned with it at all, but everyone needs to buy in. And yes, we need much more length on the wings.
That goes for pretty much everything in life.
 
Not a bad idea, but I don't have faith that we would rely on late picks in the playoffs. So it comes down to Bledsoe vs Bojan. I'm not that high on Bledsoe. I think a Bojan trade needs to be a strong one.

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Williams, Roby and the tax savings are as big a part of the deal or bigger than Bledsoe…
 
There are swings and misses in every draft. It strikes me that the Jazz approach this last off season could be charitably described as bizarre from the salary dumps, the signing of Favs, the draft, the trades and the ultimate end result. I think if the new owner brought a consultant in to determine what went wrong, the consultant would have a treasure trove of info of where to start.
 
If we re-sign Conley and we are over the luxury tax anyway, I guess I would prefer to keep Favors based on the fact that it's not my money. I agree that he is overpaid for his value to our team, so if we can get better fitting pieces in return that would be great. I just don't like the idea of trading him in to cap space and giving away draft picks to do it to save Ryan Smith some money (although I would completely understanding if Smith doesn't want to spend the incredible amount of money to keep Favors).

I do think Favors adds value to our team. He allows us to play the Conley/Gobert vs bench units, He is a good potential injury replacement for Gobert, and he is a good lockerroom guy.
 
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