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oneye said:
Tony continues saying the core of this team will likely be broken up without improvements in the postseason. I’m just curious as to what exactly Tony means here, like a compete rebuild? Is it referring to Rudy and Donovan? Is it referring to the other guys like Bogey, Joe, etc.? He’s mentioned it several times, and I’m just wondering what exactly it means.View attachment 10931
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It means they wouldn't run the same team back with the same structure. That could take many forms. I'm surprised for a guy who can read all the small detail into anything online that you seem to be struggling with this one.
 
I dont if the Jazz would be willing to do it, but it seems like it'd be possible to trade up with the Wizards if you're willing to take on the Bertans contract.
 
Just listened to Tony Jones on the Bill Riley show. Sounds like Niang is really the only rotation guy that he doesn't expect to be back next season. Say's the Jazz feel like they are really close and don't need to make major changes, instead they just need to do some tweaking and refining to the roster. As far as the back end of the roster, Niang and Ilyasova not expected to be back and Matt Thomas could be gone as well, Morgan's chances of coming back are 50/50 at this point. Oni and Hughes both expected to be back, he didn't really mention Brantley, Forrest or Dok.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I dont if the Jazz would be willing to do it, but it seems like it'd be possible to trade up with the Wizards if you're willing to take on the Bertans contract.
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Damn that's a 5 year contract. I didn't even know those existed anymore.
 
oneye said:
Tony continues saying the core of this team will likely be broken up without improvements in the postseason. I’m just curious as to what exactly Tony means here, like a compete rebuild? Is it referring to Rudy and Donovan? Is it referring to the other guys like Bogey, Joe, etc.? He’s mentioned it several times, and I’m just wondering what exactly it means.View attachment 10931
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I think Rudy is moved before Donovan... The issue with the current roster is Joe is out after next year either way... Conley and Bojan are older... Rudy won't get better imo... so you pay a bunch and it doesn't work... means the re-tool or re-build starts.
 
Jingled said:
Just listened to Tony Jones on the Bill Riley show. Sounds like Niang is really the only rotation guy that he doesn't expect to be back next season. Say's the Jazz feel like they are really close and don't need to make major changes, instead they just need to do some tweaking and refining to the roster. As far as the back end of the roster, Niang and Ilyasova not expected to be back and Matt Thomas could be gone as well, Morgan's chances of coming back are 50/50 at this point. Oni and Hughes both expected to be back, he didn't really mention Brantley, Forrest or Dok.
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If they have Doke and Favs on the roster then go ahead and free Morgan.
 
Jingled said:
Just listened to Tony Jones on the Bill Riley show. Sounds like Niang is really the only rotation guy that he doesn't expect to be back next season. Say's the Jazz feel like they are really close and don't need to make major changes, instead they just need to do some tweaking and refining to the roster. As far as the back end of the roster, Niang and Ilyasova not expected to be back and Matt Thomas could be gone as well, Morgan's chances of coming back are 50/50 at this point. Oni and Hughes both expected to be back, he didn't really mention Brantley, Forrest or Dok.
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My worry is I don't think you are getting Nic Batum (or someone of that talent tier) to come in and play Niang's role. We don't have a money advantage... need to have a role advantage.
 
infection said:
It means they wouldn't run the same team back with the same structure. That could take many forms. I'm surprised for a guy who can read all the small detail into anything online that you seem to be struggling with this one.
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Right, but it feels like Tony is pointing towards a major change in direction and he's mentioned it several times. I'm just wondering if the entire core, some of the core, what it looks like in his opinion. It feels like you have to enter rebuild if that's the case.

Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Rudy is moved before Donovan... The issue with the current roster is Joe is out after next year either way... Conley and Bojan are older... Rudy won't get better imo... so you pay a bunch and it doesn't work... means the re-tool or re-build starts.
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Which again, is contradictory to the idea that if the Jazz took the step back this year, they'd be in trouble with Mitchell. So he's going to be just fine with a major shakeup and step back next offseason with less time on his contract? As for Joe, I think that's exactly the reason you try and trade Joe this season before the deadline. And why re-sign Mike to a 3 year deal or something if major changes are coming? That's stupid. Don't re-sign Mike and let cap space open up next offseason. Giving Mike a 2-3 year deal that caps you out, while also knowing you are probably going to shakeup the entire roster next offseason is nonsensical. Do it now if that's the plan. I guess you could re-sign Mike and trade him next year, but I don't understand the approach of running back this roster, capping yourself out with Mike, and then not trading Joe this season. Tony keeps harping on we can't replace Mike if he just walks because we are capped out, yeah and if you do re-sign him it caps you out for the foreseeable future too, whereas if you don't re-sign him, yes there are negatives to losing him, and yet, you have cap space available in the future if you don't. If you can get Mike on a 2 year +1 with the +1 being a team option I guess that's fine, but you can set yourself up for around $15-20 million in 2 summers if you can do that and sign mostly short term contracts. Idk, it will depend on the moves they can make around the edges of the team as far as improvements go on how I feel, but if you can't get to a truly contending level for next season, start the aggressive turnover now.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
My worry is I don't think you are getting Nic Batum (or someone of that talent tier) to come in and play Niang's role. We don't have a money advantage... need to have a role advantage.
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That's a good point. Niang played 16 minutes a game last season, I think we likely cut 4 or 5 minutes off the 28 mpg that Joe played last year, we could also cut a couple of Royce's minutes and maybe one of Bogey's minutes and that would get us to 24 minutes a game that we could offer someone like Batum.
 
Jingled said:
That's a good point. Niang played 16 minutes a game last season, I think we likely cut 4 or 5 minutes off the 28 mpg that Joe played last year, we could also cut a couple of Royce's minutes and maybe one of Bogey's minutes and that would get us to 24 minutes a game that we could offer someone like Batum.
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I really wish we would have just given the Favs deal to Jamychal Green and given him 20-25 minutes at the 4 and 5.

The roster construction is just a little wonky... I think if you can't move Favs I think one of JC or Bogey needs to be moved (assuming Mike is retained). To get a real impact I just think you have to move one of those pieces and swap it for someone that is better on defense.
 
Jingled said:
Just listened to Tony Jones on the Bill Riley show. Sounds like Niang is really the only rotation guy that he doesDok n't expect to be back next season. Say's the Jazz feel like they are really close and don't need to make major changes, instead they just need to do some tweaking and refining to the roster. As far as the back end of the roster, Niang and Ilyasova not expected to be back and Matt Thomas could be gone as well, Morgan's chances of coming back are 50/50 at this point. Oni and Hughes both expected to be back, he didn't really mention Brantley, Forrest or Dok.
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Dok has a guaranteed deal. Hughes and Brantley were two way players so if I understand it correctly that they and every other two way player in the league is a free agent. I don't know how much money of Oni or Hughes deal is guaranteed.
 
homeytennis said:
Dok has a guaranteed deal. Hughes and Brantley were two way players so if I understand it correctly that they and every other two way player in the league is a free agent. I don't know how much money of Oni or Hughes deal is guaranteed.
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Oni is a team option, Hughes is guaranteed and was a first round draft pick. Trent Forrest will be someone they have to figure something out with. I know they, and Donovan, like him. I do as well. Here’s a breakdown.

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Utah Jazz Team Payroll | Basketball-Reference.com

Payroll summary for the Utah Jazz
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oneye said:
Oni is a team option, Hughes is guaranteed and was a first round draft pick. Trent Forrest will be someone they have to figure something out with. I know they, and Donovan, like him. I do as well. Here’s a breakdown.

www.basketball-reference.com

Utah Jazz Team Payroll | Basketball-Reference.com

Payroll summary for the Utah Jazz
www.basketball-reference.com www.basketball-reference.com
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Hughes was not a first round draft pick.
 
Jingled said:
Just listened to Tony Jones on the Bill Riley show. Sounds like Niang is really the only rotation guy that he doesn't expect to be back next season. Say's the Jazz feel like they are really close and don't need to make major changes, instead they just need to do some tweaking and refining to the roster. As far as the back end of the roster, Niang and Ilyasova not expected to be back and Matt Thomas could be gone as well, Morgan's chances of coming back are 50/50 at this point. Oni and Hughes both expected to be back, he didn't really mention Brantley, Forrest or Dok.
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I listened to this. Didn't have much to add other than with regard to Matt Thomas he said "now that DL is gone Matt Thomas may not be back". Either the remaining front office folks are pining all the bad stuff on DL or this may have been another DL going rogue deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I listened to this. Didn't have much to add other than with regard to Matt Thomas he said "now that DL is gone Matt Thomas may not be back". Either the remaining front office folks are pining all the bad stuff on DL or this may have been another DL going rogue deal.
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Every bad thing done was on Dennis it appears the past year. In all honesty, in his last year, Dennis did a lot of damage to the Jazz positioning the roster for improvements. Tony also said they’re really high on Hughes, he just needs to defend.
 
Andy Larsen on Checketts show said he thinks there's less than a 50% chance that Conley re-signs with the Jazz.
 
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