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Dont want McBride simply because resigning Conley would easily turn it into another Doke situation. He would then become our third string PG that rarely get any PT, when we could've drafted an athletic wing or small ball 4/5 that gets PT right away.
Nah you can play multiple point guards at the same time. The Doke pick was bad because he can’t share the floor with Rudy… even if it turns out he’s good.
 

Jonathan Givony mentions in his latest mock draft that the Jazz are dangling vets for picks (mentions Ingles) due to luxury tax concerns.

He has us taking Jaden Springer with Thor, Dosunmu and McBride all still on the board, FWIW.
How Joe’s name keep coming up… If they move him then just go ahead and trade me too.
 

Jonathan Givony mentions in his latest mock draft that the Jazz are dangling vets for picks (mentions Ingles) due to luxury tax concerns.

He has us taking Jaden Springer with Thor, Dosunmu and McBride all still on the board, FWIW.

The reporting on what we are doing is such a mixed bag between those saying we are trying to run it back to those saying we are dangling vets for picks that I wonder if even we know what we are doing.

Wondering if the “run it back” message is a PR move to make us not look too desperate to get off Ingles, Bogey, or Favs. There’s too much smoke out there that we are dangling dudes for it not to be true.

Methinks Ryan has decided he doesn’t want to sign a big luxury tax check.
 
The reporting on what we are doing is such a mixed bag between those saying we are trying to run it back to those saying we are dangling vets for picks that I wonder if even we know what we are doing.

Wondering if the “run it back” message is a PR move to make us not look too desperate to get off Ingles, Bogey, or Favs. There’s too much smoke out there that we are dangling dudes for it not to be true.

Methinks Ryan has decided he doesn’t want to sign a big luxury tax check.
Bleacher report mentions we are trying to get off salary. Mention Bojan and Joe. If we get something back for them then great but if you are clearing salary to just sign Mike then maybe just work a sign and trade and take less salary in or let Mike walk. Sounds like we are trying to firmly solidify ourselves as just a playoff team and not a real contender.

The mixed messaging combined with a front office in flux and a new owner… it has me a little uneasy. Maybe we are the team about to do something dumb.
 

Jonathan Givony mentions in his latest mock draft that the Jazz are dangling vets for picks (mentions Ingles) due to luxury tax concerns.

He has us taking Jaden Springer with Thor, Dosunmu and McBride all still on the board, FWIW.
Springer's been seen throughout this whole process as the higher rated prospect compared to those others.

I'd be intrigued by Springer (esp. on defense) but it seems we need more creation out of our guards than perhaps he offers. I think he'd fit great on Denver with Jokic.
 
@Saint Cy of JFC : Is your aversion to Jones:

a) you bet on Bama once and he choked, losing you money (I keep seeing you comment on him choking)
b) just an anti-Bama thing
c) something real in your evaluation of Jones?

I get that he may never see the floor if he can't find some way to put the ball in the basket, but everything else about him (from my distant view) seems like someone the Jazz should be very interested in.
No, I just think he's overrated as a "ready now" player. The hype around him reminds me of the hype around Jordan Bell. Not that I'm directly comparing them. To me Herb Jones is a project disguised as a 4 year player because of how far he is going to need to come to be playable on offense.
 
If you really really know Ingles is straight retiring after next season, I would understand trying to get a first for him now.

I would still be pissed as **** though.
 
Springer's been seen throughout this whole process as the higher rated prospect compared to those others.

I'd be intrigued by Springer (esp. on defense) but it seems we need more creation out of our guards than perhaps he offers. I think he'd fit great on Denver with Jokic.
Springer would be a homerun pick. It's like getting a younger version of Quentin Grimes.
 
Bleacher report mentions we are trying to get off salary. Mention Bojan and Joe. If we get something back for them then great but if you are clearing salary to just sign Mike then maybe just work a sign and trade and take less salary in or let Mike walk. Sounds like we are trying to firmly solidify ourselves as just a playoff team and not a real contender.

The mixed messaging combined with a front office in flux and a new owner… it has me a little uneasy. Maybe we are the team about to do something dumb.
It couldn't be dumber than our two last off seasons.
 
Plus even if the Jazz re-sign Conley, he is going to need rest days. There will be a lot of minutes for guys down the guard depth chart.
It’s kind of perfect to draft a pg because you can see what they look like for 15-20 games when injuries or test allow.

I think people don’t understand that rookies almost always need a year to get functional. Get them an appropriate amount of reps this next year and ramp up from there.
 
It’s kind of perfect to draft a pg because you can see what they look like for 15-20 games when injuries or test allow.

I think people don’t understand that rookies almost always need a year to get functional. Get them an appropriate amount of reps this next year and ramp up from there.
I think PG is probably bigger need than wing athlete tbh. I think the Jazz can shore-up wing athlete in free agency, but with Ingles likely leaving next year and Conley being a question mark, the Jazz need future on-ball creators .
 
I think PG is probably bigger need than wing athlete tbh. I think the Jazz can shore-up wing athlete in free agency, but with Ingles likely leaving next year and Conley being a question mark, the Jazz need future on-ball creators .
Exactly. Wing is a big need now… you fill that with guys that are ready now. Part of the reason I liked Bane so much was I thought he could be a bit of an Ingles replacement. In college he ran a fair amount of pick and roll and was a solid passer. Thought he could grow into that role as Joe phased out.

McBride is also billed as a tough defender and we need a guard defender as much as we need a wing defender imo. If he comes in and is good immediately then it’s easy to get another guard on the floor… he’d get time.
 
I’m hoping this talk isn’t just budget cuts but maybe they think they can replace Bogeys production and get a draft prospect that will grow with Donovan and maybe raise our ceiling and extend our window.

We shall see… will be an interesting week.
 
No, I just think he's overrated as a "ready now" player. The hype around him reminds me of the hype around Jordan Bell. Not that I'm directly comparing them. To me Herb Jones is a project disguised as a 4 year player because of how far he is going to need to come to be playable on offense.
Yeah, I hear you on his problems on offense. It's amazing that he was so poor, not just from 3, but from 2 as well, in creating his own shot, high turnovers . . .

But I do think he's got a better chance on defense than Bell did (or at least not to be a flake in the same way Bell was).
 
Springer would be a homerun pick. It's like getting a younger version of Quentin Grimes.
Stylistically, yeah. The only question I'd have is whether Springer can play up. We can at least imagine Grimes as something of a Royce O'Neale/Miye Oni type (or at least toggle up to SF in certain situations). But Grimes is already at the lower edge of the height/wingspan for this hope. Springer's an inch shorter (I'm not counting on him growing).
 
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