Uhh you have realized that the conversation has been all about getting different kinds of wings (athletic/defense) so it makes sense you have to move one of the current ones to make room for that hypothetical player to get actual minutes.
Jazz Offseason Plan
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homeytennis
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If I'm Ingles and I'm reading this I'd be pretty pissed off. If the "deals" fall through do we suddenly have a cancer on the team because of an idiot front office?
Any team who wants to trade a pick for Ingles is going to be a contender, so Ingles will be fine.
Ineptimusprime
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“The Utah Jazz are known to be one of the few teams actually searching to move playoff-tested talent. Retaining Mike Conley is an offseason priority, sources said, and the Jazz have held numerous discussions with teams around the league about offloading salary to create room for Conley in free agency.
League personnel most often mention Joe Ingles as the Jazz wing to watch, and Bojan Bogdanovic and Royce O'Neale are also considered available for trade as Utah narrows its focus towards building a contender around Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz are also open to discuss trading their No. 30 pick, sources said.”
Here’s exactly what the BR article said, for the lazy ones.
League personnel most often mention Joe Ingles as the Jazz wing to watch, and Bojan Bogdanovic and Royce O'Neale are also considered available for trade as Utah narrows its focus towards building a contender around Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz are also open to discuss trading their No. 30 pick, sources said.”
Here’s exactly what the BR article said, for the lazy ones.
I remember Rubio saying that it was really hard on him to be in trade rumors at the trade deadline of the 18-19 season after he thought he'd found a home here in Utah. At that time Rubio had only been here a year and a half...Joe's played here his entire career, 7 years.
LoPo
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What I'm reading is that they are trying to get off their contracts first and foremost.
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homeytennis
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Hmm no mention of Favors. Maybe it's just this board that wants to dump him and not the FO or team.
LoPo
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It would figure that we would trade one of our few wings and keep the overpaid, offensively limited backup C.
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No. He’s been mentioned in the past few weeks, but I wonder if moving him isn’t really feasible.
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That first paragraph gives some good insight into Smiths thought process:If anyone wants to wade through the business jargon (@Handlogten's Heros ?) here's a new piece in the Harvard Business Review by Ryan Smith on "reinventing an already successful business." Maybe someone can glean some clues in regard to the Jazz.
The Founder of Qualtrics on Reinventing an Already Successful Business
“One of the hardest disciplines in business and in life is tearing down what you’ve built to build something better,” writes the founder and former CEO of Qualtrics—among the hottest tech companies of the past decade. He explains how the company grew from a family start-up in Provo, Utah, to be...hbr.org
“One of the hardest disciplines in business and in life is tearing down what you’ve built to build something better—and knowing when to do it, especially if everything is going well. At Qualtrics, the company my father, brother, a friend, and I founded in 2002, we’ve reinvented our business multiple times.”
Tony has said this core has one last shot at this, and I’m guessing he’s right on that.
LoPo
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If we are looking to dump Bojan, Joe, or Royce to save money in order to bring back Mike, how can we be running it back for just a year?
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campaignist
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If they trade Ingles just to have the money to keep Conley and his degenerating hamstring, I'm going to scream.
It’s hard to tell what exactly is going to happen. There’s so many reports and rumors that conflict with one another vs the pathway ahead. Idk, maybe as was mentioned above Smith is okay with noise being out there for noise sakes. Maybe they’re just making all sorts of calls and deciding what sticks. There’s been multiple times where one rumor or report doesn’t make sense with another rumor, report, or line of thinking.
And the inverse is true, too: any team looking to unload Ingles for a pick doesn’t view itself as a contender.
And if we really sent out Ingles partly as a cost move, then this makes this last year’s cap **** up drastically worse and completely unnecessary for absolutely no benefit.
Ineptimusprime
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In a vacuum yes, moving Ingles is not a win-now move.
It’s possible we could package pick 30 and whatever pick we trade for to trade for another win-now player.
LoPo
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To me, this means we are laying out the foundation that anything is possible. It keeps all our options open. If we trade a wing or even sign and trade Mike, we all knew going into the draft and free agency that anything is possible.
I think Rudy and Don are both safe, but who knows if Mike walks.
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I dont know. I will wait to see what the Jazz do.
If Ingles is serious about retiring from the NBA, I can see an argument for why you do a trade. Not saying I agree (because I dont, just run it back, but its not my money obv), but I get the route of doing proactive moves to help extend the Jazz's competitive window.
I’ve seen this Ingles retire idea a lot. Where does it come from? I’ve never seen him say he plans to retire, has he? If Joe won’t be here beyond this season, you should for sure try and get some value out of him.
I would hate for the Jazz to trade Ingles, but it does probably make the most sense. Of all the players rumored to be available he is probably the most appealing: great shooter, secondary playmaker, great locker room guy, and expiring contract. I would imagine any team in “win now” mode would want him.
The question is what could we get back for him.
The question is what could we get back for him.