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MVP
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why the article refers to her as them ? Was it multiple teachers? What a disgrace to profession regardless....Yes, the cloth masks seem to be the least effective.
The teacher was a woman, and she removed her mask to read to the class.
Unvaccinated, unmasked teacher infected more than half of students in class with Covid-19, CDC reports | CNN
An unvaccinated elementary school teacher who took off their mask to read to students ended up infecting more than half of them last May -- and they went on to infect other students, family members and community members, California public health officials reported Friday.www.cnn.com
Agree, a true disgrace to the profession.
I'm so thankful that my daughter has had very good teachers that have done everything to put kids safety first, and the pandemic has put a lot of stress and extra work on our best teachers.
We did have to move her from one class after the first day of online because the teacher was so impatient, and she made my daughter cry because she was having a hard time with the technology (turned out they gave her a faulty laptop with a mute button that was broken) but her replacement class had one of the best teachers I have ever had experience with, and took extra effort to make online learning (until they were back in person) a lot of fun. He personally helped each student make a customized avatar, made up online activities they could do as a class, gave them all a theme (they were space cadets each exploring a different part of space, which is why they weren't together). Truly made a difference for my child.
One thing about working from home, and having my child taught from home, is I could "peek in" on the class and see how good her teacher was (and how shockingly bad her day one teacher was).
So while my general perception of humans has been on a downward trend during the pandemic, I do see a beacon of home from the acts of many of our teachers, doctors and others that have worked hard to protect the sanity of our children, treated every patient with dignity and respect, including those that have chosen not to be vaccinated and have put an undue burden on our hospitals and medical providers. Kudos.
Douchebag K
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genuine question the young healthy people your wife refers to getting very ill with Covid - is being overweight included in the health status ?
The Thriller
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How would those needing to be hospitalized spread the infection further?
I don’t understand why it’s callous and careless either. Couldn’t one make the argument that asking vaccinated people to put off treatments and/or risk their own lives by restricting healthcare so irresponsible unvaccinated people can be treated to be callous and careless? I just don’t know how we can ask vaccinated folks to put off their health care needs for those who most likely could’ve avoided hospitalization altogether had they been vaccinated? If health care must be measured out due to the system being under so much stress, I have no problem ethically by diverting more health care to those responsible than letting the unvaccinated ruin the entire system.
I still don’t understand why you found that humorous. You thought me wanting the vaccinated to not have their health care treatments limited or put off to be excessively callous and careless to the point of me attempting to be funny? I guess I’m not finding the punchline. It’s okay to admit that you were merely trying to get a dig in. Because that’s kind of what it appears to me you were trying to do rather than engage in a fair and honest debate.
Got it. You can't see how unhospitalized, desperately sick people with an infectious disease could possibly pass on their communicable disease to others.
I accept your inability here.
Please feel free to research how medical ethics is practiced in urgent care situations, particularly with regard to conditions that can be attributed to behavioral choices. I'm not going to write a 500-word summary.
I didn't. I thought it was a humorless attempt at humor.
I am not aware there is any debate to had here.
JazzyFresh
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"were going to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated"
So Biden admits the vaccination is pointless.
So Biden admits the vaccination is pointless.
I asked the same question, the patient is not overweight, completely healthy other than getting hit really hard by Covid.
JazzyFresh
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I mean. I have to get a vaccine to protect the vaccinated?
The Thriller
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I don’t believe those sick enough to desire hospitalization will spread the virus more than others. In fact, aren’t the most contagious times for covid in the early stages of the infection? Those who desire hospitalization are usually one week into infection and I don’t think they’re much of a threat to go to concerts or sing at a church. If they’re turned down a hospital bed in favor of someone who was Responsible, then they’ll probably return home, ramp up the hydroxy and dewormer and rest.
I think your accusation of this being a joke was a cheap shot. I think you knew it wasn’t a joke. I don’t have a history of being callous or joking in such a manner. It’s okay to admit it was a cheap shot.
I’m not sure if there is a debate to have. We just may have to agree to disagree. I don’t believe those responsibly vaccinated should see their health care curbed in favor of the irresponsible. It’s time for the rest of society to move on. Covid anti vaxxers have made their choice. If anything, this can act as an incentive to get vaccinated because now they know that literally their ability to get health care will be dependent on their vaccination status.
again, those vaccinated shouldn’t see their health care diminished because unvaccinated covid patients have overrun the system.
this isn’t just. This is pathetic:
Idaho patients in hospital halls amid COVID rationed care
Idaho’s move to crisis standards of care this week is allowing some hospitals to ration health care amid an onslaught of coronavirus patients and officials are warning the the rationing could spread to hospitals statewide.
apnews.com
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The Thriller
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I don’t know if parents in Utah recognize the dire situation in Utah schools yet. It’s bad. The quality of education is sliding due to covid. At any given time we’re seeing 5-10 teachers out at any school and most of the substitute requests are going unfilled. That means a lot of worthless class periods, untaught lessons, and wasted days. I was talking to a former colleague of mine in Alpine School District yesterday. He told me that they’re seeing 100+ sub requests are going unfilled each day. First, the normal amount of requests is usually a fraction of that. Second, rarely at this point on the year to requests go unfilled.
We haven’t even finished the first term and we’re seeing historic levels of teachers missing and sub requests going unfilled. Far worse than last year.
I think it’s definitely worth monitoring because we normally don’t see high levels of absence from teachers until late fall and winter. I’m also hearing from former colleagues that students are out sick too. Your typical class in high school is seeing 10-20 percent of its student population out for 10+ days. They’re not getting tested but they’re still getting sick. Which is understandable with the stigma against testing in this state.
If covid continues to spread then I see another wasted school year despite being “in person” all year long. It’s hard for teachers to teach when they’re out. And it’s hard for students to learn when they’re not in class. This is a real issue that sadly seems ignored by local politicians and school boards who are afraid of the loud anti mask minority.
We haven’t even finished the first term and we’re seeing historic levels of teachers missing and sub requests going unfilled. Far worse than last year.
I think it’s definitely worth monitoring because we normally don’t see high levels of absence from teachers until late fall and winter. I’m also hearing from former colleagues that students are out sick too. Your typical class in high school is seeing 10-20 percent of its student population out for 10+ days. They’re not getting tested but they’re still getting sick. Which is understandable with the stigma against testing in this state.
If covid continues to spread then I see another wasted school year despite being “in person” all year long. It’s hard for teachers to teach when they’re out. And it’s hard for students to learn when they’re not in class. This is a real issue that sadly seems ignored by local politicians and school boards who are afraid of the loud anti mask minority.
Red
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Looking forward to finding out.
The Thriller
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Like the 4th Indiana Jones, I pretend the 3rd Matrix just never happened.
Al-O-Meter
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Okay, she removed her mask to read to the kids. She was in the class while infected for 3 full days. I have a hard time believing the masks saved them all for 2 days only to be foiled by 15 minutes of reading. I think it is much more likely the teacher radiated pathogens into the classroom for 3 days.
https://mobile.twitter.com/richdavisphd
What does a mask do? Blocks respiratory droplets coming from your mouth and throat. Two simple demos: First, I sneezed, sang, talked & coughed toward an agar culture plate with or without a mask. Bacteria colonies show where droplets landed. A mask blocks virtually all of them.
Keep in mind virus droplets would travel farther and longer, but you get the idea.
Red
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Since you said the teacher was male, which I knew was incorrect, I just decided to go back and look at news of the incident at the time. And the CNN article is what I found.
I can’t prove removing her mask and reading was the period in which she spread it, nor can I prove it happened while she and her students were masked. Seems to me there would be a better chance of spread happening while she was unmasked, but I won’t belabor that point, I cannot pinpoint when it happened, and neither can you.
What you believe is fine with me, I don’t care. But you said she was a man, and was masked all the time, or nearly all the time. And the latter is probably true, since there was a mandate. I don’t know if she spent 15 seconds reading without a mask, or 15 minutes(Did it say 15 minutes, I’ll look again, but I’m not trying to prove the exact moment anyway). Just found an article that allowed me to refresh my memory. You can make anything you want over the incident as described, and you can weigh the most likely moment or moments in which the spread occurred. I’m not trying to prove when it happened, I cannot possibly know the moment, or moments when spread occurred.
The Thriller
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This is horrible and shouldn’t be happening. The unvaccinated have made their choice!
Red
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Let me put it this way. Surely, there will be, to some unknown degree, a better chance for an infected person to spread the virus by facing people and speaking to them sans mask then with a mask. So, it’s relevant to point out she faced the students and read to them without a mask, and I should think any reporting on the incident would actually be remiss in not pointing out that fact.
But, that does not prove the spread could only have occurred when she read to the class, and I never presented it as proof she infected them when reading to them.
It would be good to know the type of mask the teacher wore in school, and the types worn by every student in her class. But we don’t have that kind of detail, and even if we did, it won’t pinpoint the moment(s) spread occurred from that teacher to her students.
Biden understand that 90% is not 100%. How about you?
As well as the unvaccinatible, your family, your customers, your country. I guess you're just not patriotic enough to get vaccinated.
JazzyFresh
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So if they're vaccinated why worry? They have a choice.... You're just admitting the vaccine is pointless. How stupid of you.