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Pacers Making Play at Millsap?

Cyrone Torbin said:
For sure. He had a great rookie season in a PG centric offense, but still managed to put up respectable numbers for a 2nd year player in a less PG friendly offense. Don't really know anything about him defensively though.
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Can't we get a better PG in the draft? Collison is a bit undersized and seems like a defensive liability.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Collison has the potential to maybe, MAYBE, break into the top half of PGs in the league in the next two years.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Rondo
Nash
Kidd
Westbrook
Lawson
Wall
Harris
Miller
Conley
Billups
Parker
Curry

Those guys are easily better players. Other guys likely to be better are Hinrich, Holiday, Nelson, Jennings, Davis, Augustin, Felton.

Then you have Collison competing against the Udrihs and Teagues of the NBA. And I didn't even mention the rookie PGs and ones yet to be drafted.

I'd avoid Collison.
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Ahhh, a voice of sanity.
 
MDAV28 said:
Why is Millsap at the 4 a much better fit than Al at the 4 for the Pacers?
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Hibbert is slow and lumbering just like Al. It would be too easy to run on them. There offensive games are redundant as well, both are generally iso post up players.
 
Catchall said:
Can't we get a better PG in the draft? Collison is a bit undersized and seems like a defensive liability.
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He is 6' tall. I don't really think having a PG who is 6'3 is that huge of an advantage. Defensively, I'm not aware of his reputation. PG's who are good defenders don't really impact the game that much.
 
Collison, Psycho T, and James Posey for Millsap and Bell.

Collison = Back-up PG/Future starter
Psycho T = Back-up PF/Favors and Jefferson starters/Plays role that Big Dawg carr did
Posey = Veteran/ Fills SF loss of AK47/ Expiring contract
 
orangello said:
I know that I am going to get some neg rep for this but this is the list of players to go in order:

Jefferson
Jefferson
Jefferson
Bell
Miles
Harris
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You mean the guy who averaged 24 and 11 with 2 blocks during the last third of last season and was our only go-to player, while having games where he outplayed Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol? You mean that Jefferson?

Miles could be trade bait. Bell is neither here nor there.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Indiana is our ideal trading partner, by far. Would be shocked if either Sap or Al didn't end up there by years end. They probably covet Millsap more, he is a much better fit next to Hibbert, and they can live with him being undersized at the 4 because Hibbert is a 7'2" shot blocker.

As MDAV28 said, George is probably untouchable unless we throw in the GS pick. No way right? So that leaves Granger and whatever throw ins KOC can fleece out of them. If Bird wants Paul over Al I'm definitely making him pay a hefty price that includes either Collison or a future pick. And I'm pretty sure KOC could get that out of him.
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And that makes them terrible trade partners- they aren't willing to give up anything we want. So we look for someone else or try to work a 3 team trade.
 
Catchall said:
You mean the guy who averaged 24 and 11 with 2 blocks during the last third of last season and was our only go-to player, while having games where he outplayed Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol? You mean that Jefferson?

Miles could be trade bait. Bell is neither here nor there.
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Yep, also known as tht black hole that played for the Jazz.
 
spycam1 said:
The three potential lottery PG's (Teague, Kabongo, Marshall) all have A LOT of question marks at this point.
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I'd take Kabongo at least over Collison... Collison got crushed in the Bulls series last spring. Yes, Derrick Rose was unguardable last year, but Collison wasn't much of a factor in those games. I doubt he'd pull many minutes away from Devin Harris. There's a reason the Pacers would be willing to move him, assuming they are. They need a PG too and really only have George Hill, who is also a back-up.
 
No thanks to Granger and Hibbert. Any deal with Indiana involving Jefferson/Millsap would have to land the Jazz George+.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Hibbert is slow and lumbering just like Al. It would be too easy to run on them. There offensive games are redundant as well, both are generally iso post up players.
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I recognize they are both slow, but to me it seems like Al would thrive next to Hibbert. Sure they play similar games but why should that be a disadvantage? Howard, Noah, etc. can only guard one of them. They are fine on the perimeter and attacking the rim with 3 of these 4: Collison, Hill, Granger, or George. I guess this is all opinion, but I really think Jefferson/Hibbert could do damage in the East. But I guess there would be nights in which they would both disappear and then their offense dies..
 
There's nothing the pacers have that I would trade Milsap for. Maybe I just like the guy too much, but to me he is the kind of player you trade for, not trade away. He is consistent, clutch, and versatile. He likes being here and always gives it 100%, he's the last guys on this time I want to see anywhere else.
 
Qman said:
Collison and George's salaries add up to 3.8 mil. Millsap makes 6.7 mil next year per Hoopshype. Per David Locke salary have to match with 140%. 1.4 *3.8 = 5.32. We need another player to make this work. I like Colison and George as players. If I had to pick I would take George and Posey with a draft pick. I would then waive Posey. Of course we could go the other way and make it Memo + draft pick for Posey and George.
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Indy is way under the cap, so they can take on Millsap's contract.


As for a trade w/ Indy... Granger would've been ideal if we still had DWill but KOC s/b building for the future & Granger's contract isn't a LT solution.
I would love a swap of Paul's but I don't think Bird would do that. Paul for Psycho T & a protected 1st??

If Millsap is still on our roster, we are going to have a dilemma for big-men minutes...
Al & Memo should start w/ Favors off the bench (Kanter should get DLeague experience because of his lack of experience) & Hansbrough as the 4th big.
Millsap has become a fan favorite because of he was a 2nd round pick, his size, hustle, etc... but I'm sure the fans would accept Psycho T as his replacement.
 
infection said:
Picking up Granger would be cool if we still had Williams and were trying to compete for a title. Given our current circumstances with rebuilding I don't see the utility in these deals. If we're wanting to maintain some long-term mediocrity these deals make perfect sense.
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Agreed.


GVC said:
No thanks to Granger and Hibbert. Any deal with Indiana involving Jefferson/Millsap would have to land the Jazz George+.
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This.

IMO, Pacers are just one of many teams that were hoping Utah would give away one of their bigs on the cheap to clear up the log jam. I don't think they're serious about trying to trade for Sap, so much as looking for a steal. I see this going nowhere.
 
MDAV28 said:
I recognize they are both slow, but to me it seems like Al would thrive next to Hibbert. Sure they play similar games but why should that be a disadvantage? Howard, Noah, etc. can only guard one of them. They are fine on the perimeter and attacking the rim with 3 of these 4: Collison, Hill, Granger, or George. I guess this is all opinion, but I really think Jefferson/Hibbert could do damage in the East. But I guess there would be nights in which they would both disappear and then their offense dies..
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It all comes down to floor spacing. Neither are good passers, so it would be a field day for any decent help defender.
 
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