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Jingled said:
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We’ve obviously struggled when Conley was out too….but one trend over the last couple of years is that we actually struggle more when everyone is healthy. When you have an overload of guys willing to take tough shots you don’t always get better shots. There’s a balance and sweet spot for the amount of self generated vs system baskets….and the Jazz are definitely too heavy on the set generated baskets side.

Talent will win out, the offense will get better. But this is another struggle that doesn’t surprise me. I brought it up all summer. This is why I wanted a larger scale trade. We could address our too many ball hogs issue and defensive issues in one go.
 
KqWIN said:
We’ve obviously struggled when Conley was out too….but one trend over the last couple of years is that we actually struggle more when everyone is healthy. When you have an overload of guys willing to take tough shots you don’t always get better shots. There’s a balance and sweet spot for the amount of self generated vs system baskets….and the Jazz are definitely too heavy on the set generated baskets side.

Talent will win out, the offense will get better. But this is another struggle that doesn’t surprise me. I brought it up all summer. This is why I wanted a larger scale trade. We could address our too many ball hogs issue and defensive issues in one go.
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Yes, you had several posts with vague and mostly abstract thoughts. None of which were particularly disagreeable on ‘vague’ or ‘abstract’ grounds; but all of which became much harder to agree with in real-world scenarios... which you aren’t particularly fond of putting out there.

That’s all good, I suppose... but it’s stomach-turning to hear you crow about being right or ahead of the curve in some way when you peddle in vagaries and abstractions.
 
NAOS said:
Yes, you had several posts with vague and mostly abstract thoughts. None of which were particularly disagreeable on ‘vague’ or ‘abstract’ grounds; but all of which became much harder to agree with in real-world scenarios... which you aren’t particularly fond of putting out there.

That’s all good, I suppose... but it’s stomach-turning to hear you crow about being right or ahead of the curve in some way when you peddle in vagaries and abstractions.
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Also, the list of posters who preceded @KqWIN with most of the same specific gripes about the team’s construction is long. The conversation goes back at least to the acquisition of Conley and how that deal both handcuffed roster and financial flexibility. Not to mention draining our draft assets to help facilitate any trade.
 
NAOS said:
Also, the list of posters who preceded you with most of the same specific gripes about the team’s construction is long
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Some opinions are easier to come by and this should be one of them. It’s like the Dok pick. The fact that everyone could see it being a problem from a mile away makes it more frustrating. If Dok does somehow blossom into a great pick, the criticism of the process of the pick is still valid.

The defensive issues are the lowest hanging fruit for this team. It’s the most obvious and easy identifiable issue which is why I was disappointed that it wasn’t addressed in the off season. Everyone saw the problem in the DEN series, we ran it back and it happened again in the LAC series. Now we’re running it back again. Of course I’m not the only one who fears that the same thing will happen again.
 
oneye said:
Rudy Gay will help, he’s not some saving grace for what was witnessed yesterday.
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I think Rudy Gay can help this team. I’m still holding our hope that a smaller offensive role can prove to be some kind of renaissance for his career…but thinking that Rudy Gay is the solution to our defensive issues is the same kind of wishful thinking as believing that Miye Oni (4th or 5th best player on the stars at the time) was the solution a year ago.

It pains me to say that as the resident Oni stan….but that’s where we are at as a team. We put our hopes in Oni, Gay, even guys we’re not even sure can play anymore like Dunn and Aminu. I’m not hopeful about those retreads but I understand why they are discussed. It’s a dire situation.
 
KqWIN said:
Some opinions are easier to come by and this should be one of them. It’s like the Dok pick. The fact that everyone could see it being a problem from a mile away makes it more frustrating. If Dok does somehow blossom into a great pick, the criticism of the process of the pick is still valid.

The defensive issues are the lowest hanging fruit for this team. It’s the most obvious and easy identifiable issue which is why I was disappointed that it wasn’t addressed in the off season. Everyone saw the problem in the DEN series, we ran it back and it happened again in the LAC series. Now we’re running it back again. Of course I’m not the only one who fears that the same thing will happen again.
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Idk… I fought a lot of people the night we drafted Dok. A. Lot. There was a lot of “sure you know better than the GM” and”he’s not a project… he will be a backup immediately… it’s not dumb to draft your backup center”. There were even some “he’s a poor mans shaq”.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Idk… I fought a lot of people the night we drafted Dok. A. Lot. There was a lot of “sure you know better than the GM” and”he’s not a project… he will be a backup immediately… it’s not dumb to draft your backup center”. There were even some “he’s a poor mans shaq”.
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Fair enough. I mean…I do find it strange that people seemed to just forget about our defensive issues this season. I was joking in the game thread that we’re totally going to forget about them once we stomp some bad teams into the ground that can’t exploit our weaknesses. If I’m being honest, it’s not much of a joke because I think that will happen.

There will always be a pro/anti argument for whatever the team is doing. But some opinions are definitely easier to come by and those are the ones that cause me more frustration.

I do remember the poor man’s Shaq and that was out of this world lol.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There were even some “he’s a poor mans shaq”.
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He’s a rich man’s Shaq. So far his tab has been at least 5x and what we paid Shaq. If I were to have told you on draft night that he’d be a rich man’s Shaq just shy of a year out, you’d have called me crazy.
 
KqWIN said:
Fair enough. I mean…I do find it strange that people seemed to just forget about our defensive issues this season. I was joking in the game thread that we’re totally going to forget about them once we stomp some bad teams into the ground that can’t exploit our weaknesses. If I’m being honest, it’s not much of a joke because I think that will happen.

There will always be a pro/anti argument for whatever the team is doing. But some opinions are definitely easier to come by and those are the ones that cause me more frustration.

I do remember the poor man’s Shaq and that was out of this world lol.
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I haven’t forgotten about them. I just kinda moved on because it’s fairly hopeless to think they change a big enough cog out for one that addresses the issues. I’ve numbed myself. I’m happy with Donovan’s better effort and the improved bench defense… I just don’t see the move that is feasible that fixes things for us.

Not directing this at you… I’m more just yelling at the sky.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This was my observation, that we have stopped all ball movement. We are playing exclusively drive and kick or hero ball. No way that is sustainable and we see it already. The motion offense is gone. No more blender. Great recipe for disaster.
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I agree . There has been a lot of iso lately.


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Handlogten's Heros said:
I haven’t forgotten about them. I just kinda moved on because it’s fairly hopeless to think they change a big enough cog out for one that addresses the issues. I’ve numbed myself. I’m happy with Donovan’s better effort and the improved bench defense… I just don’t see the move that is feasible that fixes things for us.

Not directing this at you… I’m more just yelling at the sky.
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I think there are feasible moves available, might take some real assets, but I just don't think the FO sees it that way. We've had opportunities to address the issues we have, and we have focused more on safe plays rather than risky ones. I wish they'd take a risk to possible cover the gaps, but they are pretty risk-averse. Say what you want about Ainge, but he took the risks and won a ring. Sometimes that's what it takes.
 
NAOS said:
Yes, you had several posts with vague and mostly abstract thoughts. None of which were particularly disagreeable on ‘vague’ or ‘abstract’ grounds; but all of which became much harder to agree with in real-world scenarios... which you aren’t particularly fond of putting out there.

That’s all good, I suppose... but it’s stomach-turning to hear you crow about being right or ahead of the curve in some way when you peddle in vagaries and abstractions.
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Oh damn!


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LogGrad98 said:
I think there are feasible moves available, might take some real assets, but I just don't think the FO sees it that way. We've had opportunities to address the issues we have, and we have focused more on safe plays rather than risky ones. I wish they'd take a risk to possible cover the gaps, but they are pretty risk-averse. Say what you want about Ainge, but he took the risks and won a ring. Sometimes that's what it takes.
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Outside of picking up Dunn or some other guy already on the scrap heap I don’t think we have the assets for anything good. Our draft assets are gone. We don’t have gods young players to spare. About the best move that might be on the table is something around JC and Eric Gordon but even that may not be there. I think Houston can find an expiring for Gordon. Maybe a three team deal with Cleveland?
 
I think the Jazz were in desperate need of a practice day to fix some things. It looks like they finally got a practice in today, so hopefully that helps. Also, appears Rudy Gay should be making an appearance soon.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Outside of picking up Dunn or some other guy already on the scrap heap I don’t think we have the assets for anything good. Our draft assets are gone. We don’t have gods young players to spare. About the best move that might be on the table is something around JC and Eric Gordon but even that may not be there. I think Houston can find an expiring for Gordon. Maybe a three team deal with Cleveland?
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Who’s God’s young player? That sounds like someone who can help us.
 
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