I know this is true of certain LDS converts that were previously Baptist and have lost a child. Baptists teach that until a person can accept Jesus they are going to burn in hell. The belief that your 6 month old baby which died of sids is going straight to hell to burn for eternity simply because they died before they could accept Christ into their life is a driving force to convert to Mormonism which teaches that unitl at least the age of 8 all children go straight to heaven and God's presence.
Reasons you left the LDS church.
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I know this is true of certain LDS converts that were previously Baptist and have lost a child. Baptists teach that until a person can accept Jesus they are going to burn in hell. The belief that your 6 month old baby which died of sids is going straight to hell to burn for eternity simply because they died before they could accept Christ into their life is a driving force to convert to Mormonism which teaches that unitl at least the age of 8 all children go straight to heaven and God's presence.
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I guess the fail-safe in CONANBOT ENGAGEMENT PROTOCOL when scarecrow fails is to go ad hominem. Keep that up.
Fixed. Swears are hard, so I'll help.
And I stand by that, I thought I should maybe post that publicly, but I'm trying not to post too much in this thread.
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or you could be a Catholic and be happy with Limbo
though I guess they've changed their minds and limbo's been sent to, well limbo!
"Limbo is not unpleasant, but it's not a seat alongside God"
https://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/21/world/fg-limbo21
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Craig K. Manscill
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Being a member of the church has made me a very happy person and it's given me a lot in my life (obviously). My beautiful wife, kids, callings, work, and above all, enlightenment. I'm sure you can get happiness in many places, but I think that if everyone were to truly accept the church, they'd notice the positive change it makes. But I respect others who do not believe it and wish them the best.
I'd also want to mention, after reading this thread, that Conan is not a representative of our church at all, he is pretty much the opposite, and I wish he would stop slandering it with the childish way he acts. I don't know how old he is but that needs to stop, it's insulting.
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I'd also want to mention, after reading this thread, that Conan is not a representative of our church at all, he is pretty much the opposite, and I wish he would stop slandering it with the childish way he acts. I don't know how old he is but that needs to stop, it's insulting.
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That's really beautiful.
Gyp Rosetti
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I ask this in all seriousness, not why people leave but why they join? Has anyone here joined despite not being raised in some way LDS or getting married to someone who is? But I digress, why join? I'm curious if anyone here could sell me on why I should join? Not that I'm seriously considering it. I'm just curious what the selling points really are.
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Being part of a loving, supportive, family-oriented community is probably the biggest selling point, I'd think.
You'd have to give up porn though, so...
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This is a very interesting discussion, imo. However, for me, I became far less active after my battle with cancer, and almost left it entirely; except for my wife and kids I probably would have. I dealt with PTSD from the treatments that haunted me for the better part of a decade, and I couldn't understand why I never felt like I had before. I have come to accept that I am fundamentally a different person now, and with the help of meds and therapy the PTSD is under control, but I was mad at everything and everyone for a long time, and very critical of the church and, I guess, God. Within the past few years I have felt myself drawn to rebuild my religious beliefs, for whatever reason, but I am not fully "back" at all. Not sure if I ever will be. Not sure if I ever want to be.
These are exactly the kinds of things I was talking about when I stated that I felt a lot of the rules are man-made. A lot are products of the culture. Some are from God, but shaped into whatever the agenda calls for.
The Word of Wisdom actually states that it is not sent by commandment or constraint. And, that all meat (the flesh of beasts and fowl) is to be used sparingly, in times of cold and famine (meaning, I assume, when vegetation is unavailable.) So I've always kinda wondered why church members are balls-out about certain parts of the WoW, and luke warm (or completely apathetic) on others.
Just for funsies, let's re-word your post and see if you can spot the hypocrisy:
Doesn't that sound exactly like something Conan would say? I know for a fact that people who talk about weed like that piss you off, so why is it ok for you to talk about people's religious beliefs that way? Who gives a flying **** about what Spazz believes or why he does? Why should something that gives him joy piss you off so bad? Because you didn't get the same joy he is getting? That, for some reason, makes him less of a person or inferior to you and your beliefs? Rubbish.
I know what it's like to be both Mormon and non-Mormon, and I agree with Spazz 100%. Thomas, I love you and you know this, but dude -- you've got anger issues with the LDS church, and you're not using that mighty brain of yours when you're arguing about it here. (that is, I know you're one of the smartest people I've ever met, but you deteriorate into blathering Conan-speech when this topic comes up. Not like you at all.)
Anyway, back to the shadows. Carry on.
Blah blah blah. "We're going to use everything we can to steer society in a way compatible with our faith, but I'd appreciate it if you don't question the validity of that faith because it makes us sad."
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.
I'm probably not the one you would want to answer this because I was born and raised LDS. But I spent most of my high school years really questioning the church and its teachings. Personally, the idea that I can spend eternity with my wife and kids is extremely appealing. I believe in a God who wants his children to be as happy as possible. I am happiest when I am enjoying my life with my family. Why should that have to stop at death?
GVC
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I have no problem with someone saying you need not get high to live a happy life. Where's the hypocrisy? I qualified my initial response to jazzspazz, making a point to say that if he weren't making a general statement, I had no problem with it (while also taking a dig at him). Just because you can't read, doesn't mean I've said something hypocritical.
I don't care about what he believes, I care about ignorant blanket statements he makes that seem to imply something about me. Where did I say he was less of a person? You're reaching, big time (not unlike a certain Conan you've alluded to).
Ok. What's your point? You seem to have missed mine.
I think both you and JazzSpazz are just so defensive about your beliefs, you failed to actually read what I wrote. Like anyone, I have plenty of anger, but very little (if any) of it is directed at the church. Some of it is directed at people who make ignorant statements that seem to imply that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus is a hopeless hedonistic *** hole. I don't think anger is a terribly inappropriate reaction (albeit not the best reaction) to statements like that.
In the future, read my post. Before reacting to it, pause for a second and think about it. I know that's hard for you. Then go ahead and respond.
Thank you.
I am reading a book called "The China Study" and it directly links eating protein (animal protein that is) to higher cases of heart disease and other health problems. Not that I'm going vegan anytime soon, but definitely makes me think about moderation in what I eat. Also interesting is what eating meat does to the blood (hence the "in times of cold"). Take the diet of an Eskimo vs the diet of someone living in a desert. If you put the guy in the desert on the Eskimo diet he wouldn't last long, and vice versa. Sorry to get off topic but diet and the Word of Wisdom are an interesting topic. Carry on.
Sopme people see particular religions as entities whose truth can be evaluated, some see them as paths on a journey. If you are in the latter group, it's purfectly understandable to think not everyone has to use the same path.