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Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean there is some middleground here. He's not injury prone but he's not an iron man. His suspension skews the numbers a bit here but he plays in almost 80% of the games available. So he'd miss an average of like 16-17 games a year. That's like 3x more than average. It disrupts their season and production as it takes a couple weeks sometimes to get all the way back to normal.

Hunter is worse but I promise you JC's durability is something that drives his value down a bit. Will it improve? Hopefully... he's on a long deal so I would consider it strongly.
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I can agree with that. He's no iron man. I agree with that. Trae is probably the only ironman we got on the squad. I have 12.8. When you add 29 games missed this year, it jumps his number from 7.8 to 12.8. The suspension doesn't count to me. That's not an injury.
 
Jingled said:
I thought the whole idea behind the front office possibly trading Rudy was to improve our perimeter defense...I don't see how a combination of Collins, Huerter and Capella does that. I don't think I'd make a deal with Atlanta unless Hunter is involved.
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Soooo Hunter has actually been pretty meh on defense. He isn't the guy he is touted to be.

I think the idea is Clint does some Gobert stuff... JC has actually been solid for the most part... which is amazing cuz he was looking like he may be awful as a rookie. Huerter is fine. I think its the increase in perimeter size by moving Conley (the second shoe to drop).

Here is the deal... we won't be better on defense... it would be hard to trade one of the best defenders in the league the last 8 years and improve defensively. This trade gives some upside through younger guys and the draft... theoretically replaces a portion of what Rudy brings.

All Rudy trades will likely be a step back... unless the players and picks we acquire become better than expected.
 
NBASupes said:
I can agree with that. He's no iron man. I agree with that. Trae is probably the only ironman we got on the squad. I have 12.8. When you add 29 games missed this year, it jumps his number from 7.8 to 12.8. The suspension doesn't count to me. That's not an injury.
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Thats fair. I simply took the percentage of games he played over the time period. I pulled the suspension games out because it isn't fair to count those. I applied the percentage to an 82 game season to normalize the numbers a bit. There has also been some wonky seasons so maybe with stability he improves or is better able to stay healthy. I think its part of the way he plays... guys that are bouncy and athletic tend to get in situations where they can get hurt. He has a lot to his game but its why I'd expect JC to miss more games than like a Bojan type.

Hunter's injury issues would give me real pause on giving him a long term deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Soooo Hunter has actually been pretty meh on defense. He isn't the guy he is touted to be.

I think the idea is Clint does some Gobert stuff... JC has actually been solid for the most part... which is amazing cuz he was looking like he may be awful as a rookie. Huerter is fine. I think its the increase in perimeter size by moving Conley (the second shoe to drop).

Here is the deal... we won't be better on defense... it would be hard to trade one of the best defenders in the league the last 8 years and improve defensively. This trade gives some upside through younger guys and the draft... theoretically replaces a portion of what Rudy brings.

All Rudy trades will likely be a step back... unless the players and picks we acquire become better than expected.
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Hunter is an excellent man defender. Who takes on all of our toughest assignments at the 1/2/3 positions. He's more like a Dillon Brooks where his metrics don't speak highly but his tape does and he defends the best matchups for us. So he's very valuable for us. He's not much of a team defender nor help-side defender and his rebounding rate is very low.

Capela is baby Gobert. He's an elite rim and paint protector but he's not the shot blocker Rudy is, he doesn't have the instincts Rudy has, and he's just not as good as Rudy defensively but he's an excellent defender. Rudy is AN ELITE defender. Offensively, similar but not as good. Elite at screens and the PnR but doesn't finish as well in traffic. Doesn't have a good touch. He doesn't ask or require touches. If he scores 5 points, he's fairly happy as he is if he scores 25 points.

No way you can lose Gobert and be better on defense. Not possible. He's just too significant in my opinion on that end.

I wouldn't say you take a step back, I mean, you are probably in the same position overall as you now but if you are trading Conley too, I don't know what to expect.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Thats fair. I simply took the percentage of games he played over the time period. I pulled the suspension games out because it isn't fair to count those. I applied the percentage to an 82 game season to normalize the numbers a bit. There has also been some wonky seasons so maybe with stability he improves or is better able to stay healthy. I think its part of the way he plays... guys that are bouncy and athletic tend to get in situations where they can get hurt. He has a lot to his game but its why I'd expect JC to miss more games than like a Bojan type.

Hunter's injury issues would give me real pause on giving him a long term deal.
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He's not a wild athlete. Most of his injuries are more for the physicality of the position more than jumper's knee and things like that. What's most amazing about JC is his ability to catch lobs. He has elite hands and it seems like he can catch anything.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I just don’t see the hawks as a match for a Gobert deal. H Gobert basically is the best perimeter defender in any trade with Atlanta.
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Kevin can defend well. Especially if he's not having Trae break the integrity of the defense. When he plays without Trae on D and with Trae is night and day different impact on D.
 
NBASupes said:
Hunter is an excellent man defender. Who takes on all of our toughest assignments at the 1/2/3 positions. He's more like a Dillon Brooks where his metrics don't speak highly but his tape does and he defends the best matchups for us. So he's very valuable for us. He's not much of a team defender nor help-side defender and his rebounding rate is very low.

Capela is baby Gobert. He's an elite rim and paint protector but he's not the shot blocker Rudy is, he doesn't have the instincts Rudy has, and he's just not as good as Rudy defensively but he's an excellent defender. Rudy is AN ELITE defender. Offensively, similar but not as good. Elite at screens and the PnR but doesn't finish as well in traffic. Doesn't have a good touch. He doesn't ask or require touches. If he scores 5 points, he's fairly happy as he is if he scores 25 points.

No way you can lose Gobert and be better on defense. Not possible. He's just too significant in my opinion on that end.

I wouldn't say you take a step back, I mean, you are probably in the same position overall as you now but if you are trading Conley too, I don't know what to expect.
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Agree with a lot of this. Many on here are anti-Capela and I think he's still a guy we would want to have.

Hunters steals, blocks, and rebounds are all a bit low for me. I think he is a good/average defender... we'd need like 3 guys at his current level to make it work well. He could get better but I think people assume he is a lockdown guy because of his physical profile. We need someone that is disruptive on the perimeter and the help stuff is critical as our defense is constantly disconnected.

I think we take a step back regardless of if we trade Rudy. Ingles was so important to us and his subtraction is overlooked. If we trade Mike or if he slips a little (which he should given his age and profile) we will be a play in team.

I do want to see a Hawks/Jazz deal as I think the writing is on the wall for us and Rudy. He is an awesome dude and think he could be devastating with Trae. Mostly I want to see if some of these parts like JC and Huerter are better in a more egalitarian offense or if the benefit playing off of Trae... although if we go Donovan at the point they may all starve as Donovan isn't the passer Trae is.
 
I wouldn't want Capela. He looked fried last year....I see his contract as a negative. It makes sense for him to be sent out in a deal, but if that is the case I'd try to reroute him elsewhere.
 
NBASupes said:
He's not a wild athlete. Most of his injuries are more for the physicality of the position more than jumper's knee and things like that. What's most amazing about JC is his ability to catch lobs. He has elite hands and it seems like he can catch anything.
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Right... I just think he's a guy that takes more of his shots in the paint and I'm guessing that is where injuries occur... contact and leaving your feet to finish. Bogey by contrast isn't shooting nearly as much at the basket and isn't driving through contact... every now and again he will hit dudes with a dunk on they heads.

I think something in the neighborhood of Huerter, JC, Capela, #16 for Rudy and Bogey is in the "deal zone" As a Jazz fan I hope we get it all... as a Hawks fan you might want to leave out #16 or sub Bogdon for Huerter... its in the zone though.

There are some here that will tell you its Hunter, Huerter, JC, 16 and future picks and you guys deal with Capela... its kinda wild.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think we take a step back regardless of if we trade Rudy. Ingles was so important to us and his subtraction is overlooked. If we trade Mike or if he slips a little (which he should given his age and profile) we will be a play in team.
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Agree with what you say here about Mike. A lot of people are forgetting / not considering how good Mike was for us during the majority of the regular season. Trading away Conley (or keeping him) will not result in a better team next year.
 
KqWIN said:
I wouldn't want Capela. He looked fried last year....I see his contract as a negative. It makes sense for him to be sent out in a deal, but if that is the case I'd try to reroute him elsewhere.
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I think he played through some injury stuff iirc. Not sure why he'd be fried. He's younger than Rudy. He's had stamina issues before but I think you could do a lot worse than Clint at the 5 for 30 minutes a night. His contract might be slightly negative, but not by a lot.

I just don't know what the plan is at center if you move Rudy... we won't go small/5 out for 48 minutes. It also just makes the deal work a lot better. I think he could be moved later if we wanted.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Agree with what you say here about Mike. A lot of people are forgetting / not considering how good Mike was for us during the majority of the regular season. Trading away Conley (or keeping him) will not result in a better team next year.
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The difference between a top 4 team in the west and a play in team is small... Ingles being done and Mike slipping is enough by itself to push us down without something coming up or Donovan taking a big leap on defense and becoming a slightly better passer. His catch and shoot 3 needs to come back too.
 
NBASupes said:
Kevin can defend well. Especially if he's not having Trae break the integrity of the defense. When he plays without Trae on D and with Trae is night and day different impact on D.
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Not a good fit, all offense and a lesser Gobert. We don’t need offense, we need defense. It’s just not a good match.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Not a good fit, all offense and a lesser Gobert. We don’t need offense, we need defense. It’s just not a good match.
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Huerter is fine on defense. He's long... I think you are seeing a pasty redhead and making assumptions here.
 
NBASupes said:
I feel you on that. That said, you don't know the other moves your team is working on. Could resolve some of those questions.
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Just an FYI Thee is like a thousand years old and gets easily confused.
 
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