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Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

I don't understand the John Collins hate. The guy is going to be a viable option for the next ten years. He's athletic, but he doesn't just rely on athleticism. He can rebound, score, shoot, etc.

I've already done a breakdown of Collins vs Horford and it's almost identical. I know that Horford is the better defender, but Collins is clearly the better offensive player.

If Portland gets Collins for #7, that's a steal. It's highly unlikely that #7 will be a guy who averages 16+ppg and 8+rpg through the first 5 years of his career.
 
According to Fischer, "some combination of Clint Capela, John Collins, Kevin Huerter and the No. 16 pick" could be used in a trade package for Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert.

Additionally, the Hawks seem committed to a young core consisting of Trae Young, Onyeka Okongwu, and De'Andre Hunter. Fischer wrote, "the team is now expected to retain De'Andre Hunter and agree to terms on a long-term contract extension."

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10038623-latest-nba-intel-sources-expect-zach-lavine-to-re-sign-with-chicago-bulls


For me, I would pursue Collins, Huerter, Jalen Johnson, and #16. Maybe even ask for a 1st for next year (Atlanta has two - theirs and Charlotte's).
 
LoPo said:
I don't understand the John Collins hate. The guy is going to be a viable option for the next ten years. He's athletic, but he doesn't just rely on athleticism. He can rebound, score, shoot, etc.

I've already done a breakdown of Collins vs Horford and it's almost identical. I know that Horford is the better defender, but Collins is clearly the better offensive player.

If Portland gets Collins for #7, that's a steal. It's highly unlikely that #7 will be a guy who averages 16+ppg and 8+rpg through the first 5 years of his career.
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I soured on Collins during the playoffs, for the most part he was bad.
 
cowhide said:
I soured on Collins during the playoffs, for the most part he was bad.
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he was hurt... came back from injury to play so it makes sense. it is part of the problem with him though... constant injuries.
 
If you got Capela, JC, Huerter, and 16 (get 44 too... just cause) for Rudy and Bogey I think that is like the upper end of what might be out there. If you flipped JC to Portland with the 16 for 7 and cap filler I get it... but Don would be pissed.

It only makes sense that the Jazz and Hawks shuffle deck chairs with each other.
 
If we did land the #16 pick I think a Conley and 16 for KCP, Ish, and 10 could be doable. Then you land Sochan or Daniels (though I think he's gone). There is a chance Griffin or Sharpe are there too.

Don
KCP
Huerter
Collins
Capela

Royce/Sochan/JC off the bench... its not horrible.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
he was hurt... came back from injury to play so it makes sense. it is part of the problem with him though... constant injuries.
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Not really, he's fairly healthy but this year around ASB, he just started picking up injuries and then started to struggle and finally had surgery. He was playing his best ball this year even as a #3 option. His defense was good and his offense was very efficient. He was doing a lot of good things in terms of winning basketball is concerned. He should have never played in that series but he's a warrior and it wasn't like we had better options. Gallo was BBQ chicken.

He's a very good player. I do think JC/Capela/16 is an overpay for Gobert/Bogey.
 
NBASupes said:
Not really, he's fairly healthy but this year around ASB, he just started picking up injuries and then started to struggle and finally had surgery. He was playing his best ball this year even as a #3 option. His defense was good and his offense was very efficient. He was doing a lot of good things in terms of winning basketball is concerned. He should have never played in that series but he's a warrior and it wasn't like we had better options. Gallo was BBQ chicken.

He's a very good player. I do think JC/Capela/16 is an overpay for Gobert/Bogey.
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So he was healthy until he was injured? Got it.

He misses more games than average every year... its been constant throughout his career. He had a good year... I was referring more to the comment someone made that he was bad in the playoffs... but I think he rushed back from injury to play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So he was healthy until he was injured? Got it.

He misses more games than average every year... its been constant throughout his career. He had a good year... I was referring more to the comment someone made that he was bad in the playoffs... but I think he rushed back from injury to play.
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63 out of 72 and he played in all 18 playoff games.
41 out of 51,
74 out of 82,
61 out of 82, and he was healthy this year till ASB.

21 missed games was his most till this year where he had to have surgery. That's not an injury-prone player. Injury-prone players generally misses 30 games a season. Hunter is someone I would say is injury prone but not JC. He's far more reliable. In the modern NBA, 10 games missed a year normal.
 
I thought the whole idea behind the front office possibly trading Rudy was to improve our perimeter defense...I don't see how a combination of Collins, Huerter and Capella does that. I don't think I'd make a deal with Atlanta unless Hunter is involved.
 
If the Jazz acquire Collins from Atlanta, they could probably flip him to Portland for #7. If it were me, I'd make that deal for Daniels, Sharpe, Mathurin or maybe Duren.
 
NBASupes said:
He's a very good player. I do think JC/Capela/16 is an overpay for Gobert/Bogey.
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The "chatter" is two of Collins, Capela and Huerter plus #16 for Rudy. Overpay for adding Bojan too would seem to come from the Utah perspective.

If Atlanta extends Hunter to some big deal, the ideal trade for both could be

Rudy and Bojan
for
Collins, Capela, Huerter, #16 and maybe something else

Atlanta could ride out the contracts of Bojan and Gallinari before Hunter's big number hits. They would be a year away from Bogdon leaving. Financially, Atlanta would have a plan.

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NBASupes said:
63 out of 72 and he played in all 18 playoff games.
41 out of 51,
74 out of 82,
61 out of 82, and he was healthy this year till ASB.

21 missed games was his most till this year where he had to have surgery. That's not an injury-prone player. Injury-prone players generally misses 30 games a season. Hunter is someone I would say is injury prone but not JC. He's far more reliable. In the modern NBA, 10 games missed a year normal.
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I mean there is some middleground here. He's not injury prone but he's not an iron man. His suspension skews the numbers a bit here but he plays in almost 80% of the games available. So he'd miss an average of like 16-17 games a year. That's like 3x more than average. It disrupts their season and production as it takes a couple weeks sometimes to get all the way back to normal.

Hunter is worse but I promise you JC's durability is something that drives his value down a bit. Will it improve? Hopefully... he's on a long deal so I would consider it strongly.
 
LoPo said:
The "chatter" is two of Collins, Capela and Huerter plus #16 for Rudy. Overpay for adding Bojan too would seem to come from the Utah perspective.

If Atlanta extends Hunter to some big deal, the ideal trade for both could be

Rudy and Bojan
for
Collins, Capela, Huerter, #16 and maybe something else

Atlanta could ride out the contracts of Bojan and Gallinari before Hunter's big number hits. They would be a year away from Bogdon leaving. Financially, Atlanta would have a plan.

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Kevin/Capela/16 for Gobert. Makes sense
JC/Capela for Gobert. Makes sense

Good value for both teams. I am higher on Rudy and your squad more than the avg Hawk fan but I actually watch a lot of NBA teams including the Jazz. I do wonder what's the next moves for Utah. Is it a Gobert trade? Conley? Etc...

Gallo contract has a 5 million dollar buyout on the 29th of this month. It's unlikely he will be on the roster in July.
 
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