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Peter Effin' Parker said:
Wow, something needs to happen soon so y'all will stop bitching at each other, and some decent conversation can happen around here.
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I agree. This Rudy vs Don divide is incredibly annoying. It's been going on since the COVID diagnosis and hasn't really stopped since. I'm hoping that this all goes away when one or both is traded, but I doubt it.
 
LoPo said:
Definitely not Rudy's fault. Like ever
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Or Mitchell’s fault. Like ever.

It works both ways.
LoPo said:
Nobody blames Rudy for anything. Are you serious?

If we said that we lost a series because of Rudy, people would lose their minds around here. Hell, they already did when somebody said we would have beaten the Clippers, or Nuggets, or Mavs if Rudy had an offensive game.
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In fairness, Rudy could be prime Olajuwon and it wouldn’t matter with Mitchell’s high usage rate combined with his below average passing.

I can see blaming Rudy for our playoff losses a year ago. But this year (and the last month of the regular season) were on Mitchell and / or Snyder. Something was off with Mitchell… not sure if it was physical or mental. Hope he gets it back together, because prior to this year Mitchell was historically amazing in the playoffs.
 
The only reason Rudy has good offensive stats and offensive rating is because of Mitchell.

Am I doing it right?
 
Elizah Huge said:
The only reason Rudy has good offensive stats and offensive rating is because of Mitchell.

Am I doing it right?
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Can you explain why our defensive rating is significantly better with Rudy on the court and significantly worse when he's on the bench.

And

Why it's significantly worse when Don is on the court and significantly better when he's on the bench?
 
YoungJefe said:
Can you explain why our defensive rating is significantly better with Rudy on the court and significantly worse when he's on the bench.

And

Why it's significantly worse when Don is on the court and significantly better when he's on the bench?
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We are comparing Donovan vs Trae defensively and for some reason you brought up Rudy.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The only reason Rudy has good offensive stats and offensive rating is because of Mitchell.

Am I doing it right?
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Rudy would be so much better offensively if Donovan passed him the ball. It's not Rudy's fault he can't post up but it's Donovan's fault for not always getting Rudy the ball in the only place where Rudy can be successful with it.
 
LoPo said:
Rudy would be so much better offensively if Donovan passed him the ball. It's not Rudy's fault he can't post up but it's Donovan's fault for not always getting Rudy the ball in the only place where Rudy can be successful with it.
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Rudy would actually be just like Embiid if we would just pass him the damn ball.
 
Pinhead said:
Or Mitchell’s fault. Like ever.

It works both ways.

In fairness, Rudy could be prime Olajuwon and it wouldn’t matter with Mitchell’s high usage rate combined with his below average passing.

I can see blaming Rudy for our playoff losses a year ago. But this year (and the last month of the regular season) were on Mitchell and / or Snyder. Something was off with Mitchell… not sure if it was physical or mental. Hope he gets it back together, because prior to this year Mitchell was historically amazing in the playoffs.
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I blame Don all the time. Late game performances. Piss poor defense. Etc. I own it.

I also realize that Don was our best and only chance to go far in the playoffs because Rudy just doesn't scare anybody. On either end.

Lol blaming Don's usage on Rudy's inability to create offense. Thanks for proving my point.
 
YoungJefe said:
Defensively

Trae on court - 116.6 | off court 111.7 (4.9 points worse)

Don on court -111.7 | off court 105.2 (6.5 points worse)

So Don on court made us almost 2 points worse defensive than Trae made the Hawks
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What in the ****.

It’s not the difference it’s the actual rating that we are talking about and why are you lying about Trae’s defensive rating it was 117.8 this year.

Donovan on court is 6 points lower than Trae.
 
Elizah Huge said:
We are comparing Donovan vs Trae defensively and for some reason you brought up Rudy.
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Because DRtg isn't a great tool to evaluate individual player success on defense. Don's numbers will be better if he's playing with an elite defender like Rudy because the team as a whole is better defensively.

Don made us 4.7 points better offensively and 6.5 points worse defensively when he was on the court.

Trae made Atlanta 8.3 points better offensively and 4.9 points worse defensively when he was on the court.

Trae led his team to the ECF, Don has never been out of the second round.

How is Don better?
 
LoPo said:
Right on cue @MT Steve comes around trying to bend the conversation instead of actually making discussion points.
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You have made posting here such a miserable experience.

You derail every conversation you're a part of, and unfortunately, you inject yourself in almost every conversation here. You argue disingenuously, you make little to no effort to understand other people's arguments, and you put words in people's mouths constantly. When people disagree with you, you twist their words and say they lack humility for not agreeing with you.

Elizah Huge said:
I like how that @YoungJefe clown ghosted as soon as I asked for Trae’s on/off defensive stats lmao. ****ing clown.
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You are incapable of not throwing a tantrum when somebody disagrees with you. If somebody disagrees with a point you make, no matter how civil, it is guaranteed they are getting a flurry of posts from you hurling personal insults at them in response. In an earlier thread, several people were trying to explain to you a basic principle of statistics (that 2 possessions per game is a tiny sample size), and, instead of making the tiny requisite effort it would have taken to understand their point, you went full-blown politician over it.

Between the two of you, you make honest discussion impossible around here.
 
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