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Donovan Mitchell unlikely to ask for trade per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst

Jingled said:
He was always going to leave regardless of whether or not the Jazz tore it down. C'mon.
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So tank, best case scenario is get another star and then he asks out. If we just ride out the rest of his contract we'll get almost a decade of DM here in Utah. If we can't build a contender in 9 years, then it is what it is.
 
Jingled said:
He was always going to leave regardless of whether or not the Jazz tore it down. C'mon.
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We have given him an excuse and alibi now... we can let him save face and we can rebuild... I truly think its whats best for everyone and we can all have good feelings at the end of the day. It can be like PG instead of Harden.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We have given him an excuse and alibi now... we can let him save face and we can rebuild... I truly think its whats best for everyone and we can all have good feelings at the end of the day. It can be like PG instead of Harden.
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Or we try to be competitive this year and use $45M in cap space and 3 picks next year to retool.
 
YoungJefe said:
You think Herro is going to want to be in Utah?
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no one's gonna say no if we give the guy tons of money. just look at mike conley. old man was reluctant to join us but now he's enjoying this perfect retirement job. not even needing to gas himself with back-to-back set.
 
Keefe said:
Please, that Utahr caged heat would love to get in his pants…after a couple sexcapades, he won’t wanna leave.
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Herro is a Miami boy that dates IG models and is constantly out partying.

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Heat are 'concerned' with Tyler Herro's personal life and off-the-court focuses, per report | Sporting News

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Sklonick and Winderman say that Herro's desire to be an off-the-court star has been apparent, and that Miami has been concerned for "months" with Herro's focuses, and that those concerns have mirrored that of past Heat stars.
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YoungJefe said:
Or we try to be competitive this year and use $45M in cap space and 3 picks next year to retool.
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Exactly. Why not try? There aren't any great trades out there. Why force it?

We can all hope the Knicks have an absolute train wreck of a year and end up with a top 5 pick. That's better than sending him to NY and getting their pick which would be much lower than #5.
 
jom2003 said:
no one's gonna say no if we give the guy tons of money. just look at mike conley. old man was reluctant to join us but now he's enjoying this perfect retirement job. not even needing to gas himself with back-to-back set.
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Herro gets called out for being a defensive liability by Pat Riley, he's been an issue off the court, we'd have to give him basically the same contract as Donovan.

Are a 2023 and 2028/2029 1st plus Duncan's terrible contract worth Herro at the same rate as Don?

Why is it that Brooklyn wants Don but has 0 interest in Herro?
 
YoungJefe said:
Herro gets called out for being a defensive liability by Pat Riley, he's been an issue off the court, we'd have to give him basically the same contract as Donovan.

Are a 2023 and 2028/2029 1st plus Duncan's terrible contract worth Herro at the same rate as Don?

Why is it that Brooklyn wants Don but has 0 interest in Herro?
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yeah i mean it in a very sarcastic way cuz you know where my stand is on the Conley acquisition.
 
LoPo said:
Exactly. Why not try? There aren't any great trades out there. Why force it?

We can all hope the Knicks have an absolute train wreck of a year and end up with a top 5 pick. That's better than sending him to NY and getting their pick which would be much lower than #5.
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No, you haven't been listening. Building around Donovan takes us out of the top 10 picks. But trading him for Duncan/Herro and then paying them $45M+ combined while gaining a 2023 1st and a 2028 1st puts us into the bottom 5 picks. Yet Herro is a young Donovan, franchise player, that's worth building around.
 
LoPo said:
Exactly. Why not try? There aren't any great trades out there. Why force it?

We can all hope the Knicks have an absolute train wreck of a year and end up with a top 5 pick. That's better than sending him to NY and getting their pick which would be much lower than #5.
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They won't give you that pick for Don though... not in next year's draft.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do agree Knicks picks are better... much better... but not so much better to wait it out.

I definitely disagree on the "all the picks" packages always being there. Injury risk is one thing... getting slightly exposed is another... but let's assume his value doesn't change much. The teams that offer "all the picks" packages assume they will be good and are selling out... once they sell that package is not available. Indiana for example will not offer and "all the picks" offer. A number of win now teams have already ponied up the picks deals... Clips, Lakers, Nets, Sixers, Bucks, Wolves, Hawks, Nuggets, and some have given up part of their draft future... Celtics, Dallas, Bulls and Heat have given up one too. Suns likely get Nets picks which may create or remove a suitor for Donovan.

So of the teams that can offer up the majority of their draft and would be willing to do it (lotto teams generally aren't doing this) you have Toronto, Phoenix, Memphis, GS, Dallas (only one pick out), Miami (one pick out to OKC), NO maybe, OKC maybe is ready to sell off some stuff.... so when you compare getting all the picks from Miami to those teams then the Heat picks start to look better... some of those teams have young stars and will be good forever. Miami has some aging guys and would have a couple good all-stars in their 20s.

I also think teams are going to start looking at these deals and saying "we can't do that anymore". Draft pick value seems to ebb and flow a bit. I think as these deals start to turn more fruitful for the teams that extracted them teams will think twice. If we get a good young player in Herro and control of Miami's draft for 6 out of 7 years, plus Jovic as a prospect that is kind of the going rate imo. I'd like to get 125% of value for Don.... but I also value starting the rebuild now and not doing this half measure where we keep him for a year.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. I have way more belief in the desire to trade for a star like Donovan than I have fear of his value dropping off. Whenever you have a star player, I think the best method is to ask for the world and wait until you get it. The Nets are kinda being clowned on right now because there's no market for KD, but they're doing the right thing. I think it would be bad business for them to simply take the best offer that's available right now....and Durant is a much more high pressure situation where he's publicly demanded out and his downside risk is much greater. The Nets are showing good patience, and as a result of their patience I think they will get an offer closer to their high demands and better than the offers currently available. Danny Ainge is notorious for asking for to much. It's one of the main things he gets clowned on....but you know what, it's worked.

I think the fact that there aren't many buyers for Donovan right now really solidifies my stance on this. The market may be cool on Donovan right now, but that is all the more reason to wait it out. If there's one thing I'm not worried about, it's that there won't be interest in Donovan in the future. Teams are feeling good about themselves right now and what they did in the off-season, but things will not go as planned and teams will want to pivot. Things could also start to go well which forces a pivot to trading for Donovan, much like MIN pivoting to Gobert after a successful season. I have a strong belief that one way or another teams will find interest in Don.

MIA may be the only team with the desire to trade for Don right now, but I'd bet on that changing and they don't have a godfather offer to begin with. They've already traded a pick which limits the picks they can send out. They have one good young player, but otherwise you have to take back bad contracts to salary match. I just have a hard time believing that this is the best offer that we would receive in the next two years. When it comes to MIA in particular, I think this deal is legitimately permanently available. If, for example, we don't trade Don this year. I think the Heat would have the exact same deal on the table, but instead they could use Herro's bigger salary to close the gap instead of taking on contracts like Robinson and Lowry. When you're talking about taking on the contracts of Robinson and Lowry as has been mentioned, those contracts negate a lot of MIA's draft capital in value and MIA doesn't have more value to compensate for it.

There's just nothing about the current MIA package that makes me think we have to take it and run. The players package you're getting back is not great, the picks you're getting back are limited in quantity, and the quality of those picks isn't great either. This is very much settling IMO.
 
KqWIN said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. I have way more belief in the desire to trade for a star like Donovan than I have fear of his value dropping off. Whenever you have a star player, I think the best method is to ask for the world and wait until you get it. The Nets are kinda being clowned on right now because there's no market for KD, but they're doing the right thing. I think it would be bad business for them to simply take the best offer that's available right now....and Durant is a much more high pressure situation where he's publicly demanded out and his downside risk is much greater. The Nets are showing good patience, and as a result of their patience I think they will get an offer closer to their high demands and better than the offers currently available. Danny Ainge is notorious for asking for to much. It's one of the main things he gets clowned on....but you know what, it's worked.

I think the fact that there aren't many buyers for Donovan right now really solidifies my stance on this. The market may be cool on Donovan right now, but that is all the more reason to wait it out. If there's one thing I'm not worried about, it's that there won't be interest in Donovan in the future. Teams are feeling good about themselves right now and what they did in the off-season, but things will not go as planned and teams will want to pivot. Things could also start to go well which forces a pivot to trading for Donovan, much like MIN pivoting to Gobert after a successful season. I have a strong belief that one way or another teams will find interest in Don.

MIA may be the only team with the desire to trade for Don right now, but I'd bet on that changing and they don't have a godfather offer to begin with. They've already traded a pick which limits the picks they can send out. They have one good young player, but otherwise you have to take back bad contracts to salary match. I just have a hard time believing that this is the best offer that we would receive in the next two years. When it comes to MIA in particular, I think this deal is legitimately permanently available. If, for example, we don't trade Don this year. I think the Heat would have the exact same deal on the table, but instead they could use Herro's bigger salary to close the gap instead of taking on contracts like Robinson and Lowry. When you're talking about taking on the contracts of Robinson and Lowry as has been mentioned, those contracts negate a lot of MIA's draft capital in value and MIA doesn't have more value to compensate for it.

There's just nothing about the current MIA package that makes me think we have to take it and run. The players package you're getting back is not great, the picks you're getting back are limited in quantity, and the quality of those picks isn't great either. This is very much settling IMO.
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Miami can only trade 2 picks, 2023 and either 2028/2029.
 
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