Donovan Mitchell unlikely to ask for trade per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hey Sam it’s Pat… how are you? Good to hear… listen you know that 2025 1st of ours you own that’s top-14 protected? Yeah, how about you send a 2nd Utah’s way since you have a thousand of them and we will take off the protections? Sound good? Great, thanks.

This type of thing has happened before... Heat actually likely give a second to do it so Presti always wins.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I just have to say that imo Quickley will be a better overall player than Herro in 3 years.

Just want it on the record……..your Honor.

You do know they’re the same age right now right? That would be some kind of leap he’d take especially when Brunson is signed for 4 years.

 

[KqWIN]

Hey Sam it’s Pat… how are you? Good to hear… listen you know that 2025 1st of ours you own that’s top-14 protected? Yeah, how about you send a 2nd Utah’s way since you have a thousand of them and we will take off the protections? Sound good? Great, thanks.

And if they say no? It’s worse for them to have 2025 unprotected first than 2026, and you have them giving up a second. Their draft capital is limited. Even in this make believe scenario, they’re still out all their seconds.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Why do we care about what salary we’re taking back in a Donovan deal? We’re going to be terrible anyways. We have tons of potential cap space next year to take on bad contracts with picks attached. Robinson’s 54M over the next 3 years should hardly be of concern. Hell, he will likely play a lot of minutes and can rehab his value very quickly. That’s not an immovable contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just have to say that imo Quickley will be a better overall player than Herro in 3 years.

Just want it on the record……..your Honor.

And that's fine... but you have to realize that is a guess and currently Herro is quite a bit better and they are the same age. Herro also did it on a winning team over more minutes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And if they say no? It’s worse for them to have 2025 unprotected first than 2026, and you have them giving up a second. Their draft capital is limited. Even in this make believe scenario, they’re still out all their seconds.

I believe these exact teams have amended pick protections before for just such a deal lol... make believe. Yes they will be so mad they'd rather not have the protections removed.

 

[KqWIN]

I believe these exact teams have amended pick protections before for just such a deal lol... make believe. Yes they will be so mad they'd rather not have the protections removed.

Presti never loses…but he will give up a second round pick for a worse pick? If you believe that…agree to disagree lol.

Even if it’s 3 unprotected. You get 2023, 2027, 2029….that’s not an amazing package IMO. Definitely not the Godfather package that makes me think we can’t say no.

 

[Elizah Huge]

And if they say no? It’s worse for them to have 2025 unprotected first than 2026, and you have them giving up a second. Their draft capital is limited. Even in this make believe scenario, they’re still out all their seconds.

We don’t give a **** about seconds in a Mitchell deal lol. How many did we get in the Rudy deal?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Presti never loses…but he will give up a second round pick for a worse pick? If you believe that…agree to disagree lol.

Even if it’s 3 unprotected. You get 2023, 2027, 2029….that’s not an amazing package IMO. Definitely not the Godfather package that makes me thing we can’t say no.

Plus pick swaps in 24/26/28.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don’t think Mitchell has the guts to ask for a trade publicly, but I do find the language “currently” and “unlikely” to ask for a trade pretty funny. And that we need to hear this from sources, not a commitment directly from him.

If I wanted to cling to Donovan, I would for sure find this information super assuring.

 

[KqWIN]

We don’t give a **** about seconds in a Mitchell deal lol. How many did we get in the Rudy deal?

So if we got 4 seconds from MIA we wouldn’t care about it? We also got 4 first rounders for Gobert…who regardless of how you see him as a player, is not the same level of trade asset as Mitchell.

 

[Bodhi]

And that's fine... but you have to realize that is a guess and currently Herro is quite a bit better and they are the same age. Herro also did it on a winning team over more minutes.

I let total RAPTOR tell me what to think.

That’s all

 

[LogGrad98]

Correct... but the saying goes a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think Brooklyn, NY, and Miami are all willing to do a Donovan deal right now, but maybe at different price points.

Comparing a Knicks package of 4 unprotected firsts, Quickly, Toppin, and likely some unsavory salary in Fournier (slightly less negative than Duncan)... I just don't think its that far off and IF the heat deal was in my hand that has real value.

With every deal we pass up there is an opportunity cost you must factor in... you might think a better deal comes along but it doesn't and a replacement deal is absolutely not guaranteed. There will also be carrying costs to keeping Donovan... and maybe it all washes out and you do way better but you can't deny risk of loss and opportunity costs.

I thought it was a finger in the hand and 2 in the bush. Hmmm.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Presti never loses…but he will give up a second round pick for a worse pick? If you believe that…agree to disagree lol.

Even if it’s 3 unprotected. You get 2023, 2027, 2029….that’s not an amazing package IMO. Definitely not the Godfather package that makes me thing we can’t say no.

THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. IT IMPROVES THE VALUE OF THE PICK... AND THEY GET A SECOND FOR IT.... LOL.

It's Herro, 3 picks, 3 swaps, Duncan and Jovic (Strus, Vincent, Yurtseven are likely on the table). Its not the "make me move" price. Its an offer on your house that is clearly for sale that is 10K below list price... but we are pretending the house isn't for sale while the moving trucks are in the driveway.

 

[Elizah Huge]

So if we got 4 seconds from MIA we wouldn’t care about it? We also got 4 first rounders for Gobert…who regardless of how you see him as a player, is not the same level of trade asset as Mitchell.

Just because Minnesota massively overpaid for Gobert doesn’t mean someone else will for Mitchell just saying.

Herro
Jovic
23/27/29 unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 pick swap 1sts

I don’t think that is a bad deal at all. That’s a lot for Mitchell. Dejounte Murray went for a protected 2023 1st, 25/27 unprotected picks and a 2026 pick swap.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I let total RAPTOR tell me what to think.

That’s all

They have some wild on/off swings in part because Randle is so awful... It might be real or it might be trusting stats that aren't genuine.

 

[KqWIN]

THEY HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. IT IMPROVES THE VALUE OF THE PICK... AND THEY GET A SECOND FOR IT.... LOL.

It's Herro, 3 picks, 3 swaps, Duncan and Jovic (Strus, Vincent, Yurtseven are likely on the table). Its not the "make me move" price. Its an offer on your house that is clearly for sale that is 10K below list price... but we are pretending the house isn't for sale while the moving trucks are in the driveway.

In this scenario, it does not improve the pick. 2026 Heat first is better than 2025. No question about it. The last time they did this, the Thunder got a more valuable pick it’s not the same.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In this scenario, it does not improve the pick. 2026 Heat first is better than 2025. No question about it. The last time they did this, the Thunder got a more valuable pick it’s not the same.

How is it better? Miami is gonna be a lotto team in 2025 that means that OKC passed up a lotto pick because it falls in the restrictions... if Miami is not a lotto team they get the same pick they would have otherwise... for it to be better you'd be assuming they are a lotto team two years in a row. Sure.

 

[KqWIN]

Just because Minnesota massively overpaid for Gobert doesn’t mean someone else will for Mitchell just saying.

Herro
Jovic
23/27/29 unprotected 1sts
24/26/28 pick swap 1sts

I don’t think that is a bad deal at all. That’s a lot for Mitchell. Dejounte Murray went for a protected 2023 1st, 25/27 unprotected picks and a 2026 pick swap.

It was stupid to say we don’t care about 2nd rounders because we didn’t receive any in the Gobert trade. Its not like receiving 3 firsts and one second would have improved my point lol. You had a problem with me saying the Heat draft assets are limited, and they are. They are restricted on the firsts they can trade, they also do not have their seconds. It’s clear as day.

PS….you conveniently left out Duncan Robinson.

 

[KqWIN]

How is it better? Miami is gonna be a lotto team in 2025 that means that OKC passed up a lotto pick because it falls in the restrictions... if Miami is not a lotto team they get the same pick they would have otherwise... for it to be better you'd be assuming they are a lotto team two years in a row. Sure.

Who is the guy you are helping they trade for, when does his contract end. Do you consider what if scenarios that aren’t completely skewed one direction in your favor. Surely you can see the other side of this.

You can’t possibly think MIA is guaranteed to be a lottery team in 2025 btw lol. Come on now.