Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Bogey trade was still mystifying to me, and I was someone who has always been high on Kelly. I just didn't think it made sense for the Jazz to go for wins at the time. PHX and NYK were infinitely more reasonable destinations for Bogey and they had more reasonable assets to send back to UTA. I also think if we held onto Bogey we could make a convincing offer for the Kuminga/Wiseman types. I still think Kelly is a good player and he's obviously played really well so far, but what was everyone doing? I feel like none of UTA/DET/PHX/NYK and other buyers were acting rationally.

I also think we got a little high on Vando... I think if we really had to dig in and to get a first you had to give up Vando and Bogey you do it. Likely get some seconds when you flip Crowder too.

Getting Kelly is the straw that broke the tank's back. It was a good competent vet at our biggest position of need. Truly fought against the tank.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Collins is mildly intriguing (its a big contract) but if the price is some of our vets... and the plan is not to tank... then okay. Fit is a little wonky with Lauri but they are both kinda flexibly so maybe its surprisingly effective?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm interested to see what it might look like with Collins in Vando spot in the starting lineup... all those dribble handoffs get a little more interesting.

We should be opportunistic but I'm skill leaning towards team tank.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Watching Spurs Kings last night I became more intrigued with Isiah Roby. He's shooting 40% from three right now and it looked super confident and smooth. No reason for Spurs to move him unless tanking... but he's a FA and the type of frontcourt guy that would be very nice to plug into the lineup.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I also think we got a little high on Vando... I think if we really had to dig in and to get a first you had to give up Vando and Bogey you do it. Likely get some seconds when you flip Crowder too.

Getting Kelly is the straw that broke the tank's back. It was a good competent vet at our biggest position of need. Truly fought against the tank.

Yeah, honestly Vando might actually suck. His best quality is that he raises the collective effort level, but he is a disappointment on defense.

I'm not fully onboard with that opinion though. Maybe he is actually good, idk.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, honestly Vando might actually suck. His best quality is that he raises the collective effort level, but he is a disappointment on defense.

I'm not fully onboard with that opinion though. Maybe he is actually good, idk.

Suck is harsh... My stance has always been he is more Bo Outlaw than Dennis Rodman. He's a 20 minute a night energy big. The corner three makes him slightly more interesting... but people somehow got the impression he could handle the ball and stuff. He can string a few dribbles together but none of them are productive dribbles. He's not great finishing around the rim.

His biggest value is that he can be an effective rotation player for a playoff team at a good price. That value goes away on his next deal.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I also think we got a little high on Vando... I think if we really had to dig in and to get a first you had to give up Vando and Bogey you do it. Likely get some seconds when you flip Crowder too.

Getting Kelly is the straw that broke the tank's back. It was a good competent vet at our biggest position of need. Truly fought against the tank.

Yeah, honestly Vando might actually suck. His best quality is that he raises the collective effort level, but he is a disappointment on defense.

I'm not fully onboard with that opinion though. Maybe he is actually good, idk.

I’m with the sentiment here. I don’t think he’s nearly as good as people think. I would move him for a first without thinking twice.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Vando/Gay for Crowder/1st is something I would look into.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Suck is harsh... My stance has always been he is more Bo Outlaw than Dennis Rodman. He's a 20 minute a night energy big. The corner three makes him slightly more interesting... but people somehow got the impression he could handle the ball and stuff. He can string a few dribbles together but none of them are productive dribbles. He's not great finishing around the rim.

His biggest value is that he can be an effective rotation player for a playoff team at a good price. That value goes away on his next deal.

The biggest disappointment is that his individual defense is really mediocre

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The biggest disappointment is that his individual defense is really mediocre

I could see that in the pre-season but he was getting a ton of steals early... that seems to have tapered off.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The biggest disappointment is that his individual defense is really mediocre

He also passes up on an astonishing amount of layups. He will get an offensive rebound and instead of finishing it he passes out to the three.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He also passes up on an astonishing amount of layups. He will get an offensive rebound and instead of finishing it he passes out to the three.

He did that a few times last game... generally I am okay with it but you also have to see if a layup is available. He's not a great finisher so a kick out might be the best default... but sometimes just go ahead and take the quick layup.

To his credit I think his corner three shooting is real... not real in that he will hit like 50% but 40%-ish.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Vando/Gay for Crowder/1st is something I would look into.

Nah...

I prefer Vando to most 1st we would get from Phoenix.

Clarkson is the main chucker on the team. When he is on, we win. When he is off, we lose. When he is on, he moves the ball. When he is off, the ghost of Quin whispers in his ear to SHOOT MORE!!!

Team basketball has been a blast. Clarkson opens things up for others for sure, Crowder is a diddus.

 

[HeatCheck]

I’m with the sentiment here. I don’t think he’s nearly as good as people think. I would move him for a first without thinking twice.

I would probably trade Vando for a decent FRP.

It's getting to the point where I would trade just about anyone for picks...except for Kessler of course.
I just mainly want to see more Kessler as the season progresses.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we can get KJ Martin without giving a first I'd do it (not sure Houston would do it for second rounders)... for pure entertainment sake I'd want him to play 30 minutes a night. Dude gets up.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah, honestly Vando might actually suck. His best quality is that he raises the collective effort level, but he is a disappointment on defense.

I'm not fully onboard with that opinion though. Maybe he is actually good, idk.

Ya im a huge fan of his attidude desire hustle etc but he isnt as good as i had hoped. Yet.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

The Brooklyn/LA Kyrie dilemma is our opportunity to sneak out with some assets for our vets. Ky is a FA and won't be re-signing there... Nets mutually will agree there. Nets have no way to replace him on the roster though as they won't have cap space. They really can't tank and rebuild as Houston owns their draft the next few years. So even if they got guys they could play this year and next it would be a win.

Lakers want a star for their picks... that ain't happening... unless its Kyrie. Their season is basically over in a month or so if they don't turn **** around. Ky wants to be there... Lebron wants him there... do they make a deal with the devil?

Would Brooklyn trade Ky for JC and KO? I think so... I think you could even get them to throw in a side benefit like getting the second choice of their pick, Houston's pick, and Philly's pick.

With LA... would they do one unprotected pick to get Ky and Beasley. Its perfect because they can keep both guys if they want... or they can have cap space if it flops.

Russ/Nunn/1 first and a boost to the other first we own... infinity cap space next year... a real shot at a top 6-7 pick this year. I'd do it of course... not sure LA is cool with the publicity hit... but they obviously get a deal talentwise.

 

[HermanG]

The Brooklyn/LA Kyrie dilemma is our opportunity to sneak out with some assets for our vets. Ky is a FA and won't be re-signing there... Nets mutually will agree there. Nets have no way to replace him on the roster though as they won't have cap space. They really can't tank and rebuild as Houston owns their draft the next few years. So even if they got guys they could play this year and next it would be a win.

Lakers want a star for their picks... that ain't happening... unless its Kyrie. Their season is basically over in a month or so if they don't turn **** around. Ky wants to be there... Lebron wants him there... do they make a deal with the devil?

Would Brooklyn trade Ky for JC and KO? I think so... I think you could even get them to throw in a side benefit like getting the second choice of their pick, Houston's pick, and Philly's pick.

With LA... would they do one unprotected pick to get Ky and Beasley. Its perfect because they can keep both guys if they want... or they can have cap space if it flops.

Russ/Nunn/1 first and a boost to the other first we own... infinity cap space next year... a real shot at a top 6-7 pick this year. I'd do it of course... not sure LA is cool with the publicity hit... but they obviously get a deal talentwise.

So... you are essentially suggesting we move 1 pick 3 years into the future and give away a potential future player in Beasley to dump future salary and to tank better?

We dont have a legit starting lineup anymore. Russ blows up Hardys schemes by doing Russ things and brings in the press.

What are we then, the Utah Nets? This is evil genious level stuff, and 100% what DA would not do.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Quickley and Collins trade rumors today. I think getting them now would be getting them at their lowest.

I would rather go after Bones Hyland instead of Quickly if looking for that type of add on. I don't see the Jazz going after any guards via trade unless of course guards is all they are getting rid of or something.
I see them NOT trading JC unless he asks out, maybe having trouble finding a good suitor for Mike as he has levelled off from early. So all that leaves outgoing potentially is Sexton who still is not back to 100% or so it appears, and has little value as a result.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So... you are essentially suggesting we move 1 pick 3 years into the future and give away a potential future player in Beasley to dump future salary and to tank better?

We dont have a legit starting lineup anymore. Russ blows up Hardys schemes by doing Russ things and brings in the press.

What are we then, the Utah Nets? This is evil genious level stuff, and 100% what DA would not do.

No... we improve a pick we own (the worse of the nets/philly pick becomes the better of the nets/philly pick)... we get a premium first rounder in 2026 or 2027 from LA. That is the kind of pick that turns into Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum (something DA has done iirc).

We waive Russ immediately and he signs in Charlotte or focuses on his fashion career. We open up like $40M in space to sign guys with (Beasley, JC, KO could all be waived or opt out next year so that route is available in either scenario... but not likely if we keep those guys this year its likely some stick around and eat into our dwindling cap space.

We improve our own pick at the cost of a play-in birth but also get to play the young guys to get some development time.

We become the Utah Thunder and hopefully get lucky but it is better than being the Utah Knicks or Utah Wizards.