Its Time to Tank

[fishonjazz]

Look. He is not the player he was in CLE at all. He is smarter, but aside from decent efficiency and numbers that you can use for your argument they are low usage ones.
He is not 100% anyone who saw the Cavs more than twice a season could tell you that.

You said his shooting is bad (its actually amazing) and his scoring isnt good enough. Both are incorrect


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

You should be embarrassed because you are acting like a dumbass. Anyone with a brain can see why Sexton isn't putting up the same stats here as he did in Cleveland when he and Garland were pretty much the only options. On this team there are way more mouths to feed so to expect him to have the same opportunity to put up the same numbers makes no sense. Take Clarkson away and plug in Sexton at the 2 and you can pretty much guarantee that he is putting up over 20 points a game.

He would not unless Hardy has completely let go of the rope.

Its like he hasnt even seen sexton play this year


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I could say the same thing bout y'all if you think Sexton is going to have the ball enough to average 20.

 

[fishonjazz]

stats don't tell the story imo. his shooting numbers are on how much usage again? he was highly efficient in CLE at much higher usage. He aint getting the usage, because he is not 100%

You should have just said “sexton isnt getting the usage or minutes that he was getting in cleveland”
That statement would have been just fine. Instead you seemed to be indicating that he isnt playing well in the shooting and scoring department. He is doing great at both of those things.


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[fishonjazz]

He would not unless Hardy has completely let go of the rope.

I could say the same thing bout y'all if you think Sexton is going to have the ball enough to average 20.

Did someone say he will have the ball enough to average 20? A dude said that sexton isnt shooting well and not scoring well. He is doing both well. His minutes and usage are down so his total numbers are down. Thats it.


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[sip]

He would not unless Hardy has completely let go of the rope.

I could say the same thing bout y'all if you think Sexton is going to have the ball enough to average 20.

Hell yeah! You know you are on the right side of a debate when Cy comes in on the other side. Damn it feels good.

 

[sip]

Did someone say he will have the ball enough to average 20? A dude said that sexton isnt shooting well and not scoring well. He is doing both well. His minutes and usage are down so his total numbers are down. Thats it.


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It feels like we are debating with a couple 1st graders. So strange.

 

[fishonjazz]

Collin sexton points per game per 36 in his 4 years in Cleveland
18
22
24
20

Collin Sexton points per game per 36 with the jazz this season
21

Main difference is that he is getting those points in the most impressive way of his career with the jazz. He is shooting a career high from the field and a career high from 3 this season. Also getting to the line more with the jazz than his career average and making a higher percentage from the line than his career average.

Basically Sexton is playing the best basketball of his career so far this season. His minutes are just down because the jazz have lots of point guards and small wings.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

And the difference between -2 and +2 is something like 55/45 vs. 45/55 to win outright. I mean, it might mean 3 extra losses. As going into the lottery the 10th seed might mean getting Wemby. It's very improbable. It's much more likely that those Lauri/JC rest games lead to no extra losses rather than 3. (So, overall I'd said that's not something that needs that much discussing as the effect is very small anyway.)


This I can agree on wholly

And let's say that they trade KO and Vando and don't bring any playable bigs back. I think playing Dok 20 minutes has more effect on tanking than Lauri playing 0

Playing Lauri zero minutes and Gay 30 ain't gonna change things for ya? I just think if you pull 2-3 depth pieces and then sit Lauri or JC a few extra nights it will swing a few games. If you would have gone 3-3 i could see you easily going 1-5. Two games matters. We play OKC 4 times between now and the end of the season. Going 2-2 vs. 1-3 could be the difference between 8-9 or 10-11 right there. It is so damn tight literally every game will matter.

 

[Eddie Zero]

You should be embarrassed because you are acting like a dumbass. Anyone with a brain can see why Sexton isn't putting up the same stats here as he did in Cleveland when he and Garland were pretty much the only options. On this team there are way more mouths to feed so to expect him to have the same opportunity to put up the same numbers makes no sense. Take Clarkson away and plug in Sexton at the 2 and you can pretty much guarantee that he is putting up over 20 points a game.

You know what they say: better to have a dumbass think you are acting like one, than someone with a brain to think you are one. smh
The fact you and Sextons homer huge missed the point entirely.Probably rather conveniently I might add,
I guess demands one more explaination for you as simple as can be:
He is not being used like a healthy starter that he once was, regardless of small sample stats.
imo its because he is not healthy yet, but clearly you think he is fine with low usage high efficiency role on this roster?
I don't think he ever would be ok with the low usage he has right now if he was 100%.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Collin sexton points per game per 36 in his 4 years in Cleveland
18
22
24
20

Collin Sexton points per game per 36 with the jazz this season
21

Main difference is that he is getting those points in the most impressive way of his career with the jazz. He is shooting a career high from the field and a career high from 3 this season. Also getting to the line more with the jazz than his career average and making a higher percentage from the line than his career average.

Basically Sexton is playing the best basketball of his career so far this season. His minutes are just down because the jazz have lots of point guards and small wings.


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sure if you want to twist it to agrue he has a better per 36 smh
He is not 100% I am shocked how many of you think he is.
If Hardy is not going to give him the keys to the offense , and you are right about him deserving it, then one of them has to go

 

[fishonjazz]

He is not being used like a healthy starter that he once was.

Agreed. He is being used like a player on a team full of good small guards and wings.
He is being used like a player with a hall of fame veteran point guard on the roster who the coach loves.





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[Eddie Zero]

You said his shooting is bad (its actually amazing) and his scoring isnt good enough. Both are incorrect


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My advise is don't use % when judgeing a player that already is proven as an efficient scorer as a first option, before you judge how many attempts he has the green light to take in the first place as a 3rd option with less defenders on him.
He is not the same player or he would at least be a starter and the clear 2nd option to the Finnisher. He isn't

 

[fishonjazz]

sure if you want to twist it to agrue he has a better per 36 smh
He is not 100% I am shocked how many of you think he is.
If Hardy is not going to give him the keys to the offense , and you are right about him deserving it, then one of them has to go

Mike conley is the reason his minutes are down my dude. Nothing more and nothing less. Its that simple. No need to guess at his health.

I mean if he had health issues this would be the perfect season to simply rest her completely rather than make him a 6th man type right? What makes you think he isnt healthy other than lack of minutes?


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[Eddie Zero]

Agreed. He is being used like a player on a team full of good small guards and wings.
He is being used like a player with a hall of fame veteran point guard on the roster who the coach loves.





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we will see, maybe so. I don't think he is 100% or he would have taken those gigs from those other guards already.

 

[fishonjazz]

My advise is don't use % when judgeing a player that already is proven as an efficient scorer as a first option, before you judge how many attempts he has the green light to take in the first place as a 3rd option with less defenders on him.
He is not the same player or he would at least be a starter and the clear 2nd option to the Finnisher. He isn't

How do you deterimine good shooting vs bad shooting? What makes you think he is struggling with his shot?




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[fishonjazz]

we will see, maybe so. I don't think he is 100% or he would have taken those gigs from those other guards already.

He cant take those gigs from other guards. Hardy decides who plays not sexton.

Kessler should have taken olynyks spot long ago if its just based off play. Its not though unfortunately.


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[Eddie Zero]

Mike conley is the reason his minutes are down my dude. Nothing more and nothing less. Its that simple. No need to guess at his health.

I mean if he had health issues this would be the perfect season to simply rest her completely rather than make him a 6th man type right? What makes you think he isnt healthy other than lack of minutes?


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i think JC is why if anything, not Mike if it is all about seniority or something and I am wrong about his health. Sexton is not proven as a point guard at all, so Mike isn't in front of him, he is in front of NAW unless Hardy is really forcing Sexton to wait before he unleashes him as the next pg

 

[Elizah Huge]

If Sexton was getting 16.9 attempts per game like Clarkson he would easily average 20+. He’s averaging 14.1 PPG on 9.6 attempts per game right now.

 

[fishonjazz]

i think JC is why if anything, not Mike if it is all about seniority or something and I am wrong about his health. Sexton is not proven as a point guard at all, so Mike isn't in front of him, he is in front of NAW unless Hardy is really forcing Sexton to wait before he unleashes him as the next pg

Ya JC, mike, whatever. Him playing poorly isnt the reason his minutes are down. He has played great. Literally playing the best ball of his career this season.
His minutes are down because of depth and talent at the positions he plays is good.

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[Eddie Zero]

If Sexton was getting 16.9 attempts per game like Clarkson he would easily average 20+. He’s averaging 14.1 PPG on 9.6 attempts per game right now.

then why isn't he getting the usage if he is 100% and JC trade yet???