2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Probably not... but he provided a loaded weapon and a vehicle to a buddy that was used in a murder. Not knowing what will happen really doesn't matter. Say he had just gotten wasted and killed someone while driving under the influence... its still manslaughter.

Premeditation matters a lot

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

This could be huge.

 

[sip]

Miller is a college kid, I highly doubt that he went there that night knowing he was going to be an accessory for murder.

So he brings a guy a loaded gun and doesn't think there is a chance that it will be used. That is some horse **** right there. Being young doesn't excuse that type of ********.

 

[YoungJefe]

Probably not... but he provided a loaded weapon and a vehicle to a buddy that was used in a murder. Not knowing what will happen really doesn't matter. Say he had just gotten wasted and killed someone while driving under the influence... its still manslaughter.

Sounds like what happened:
Brandon Miller dropped off his teammates at the club in a vehicle that he co-owns with the other suspect but didn't stay
The other two Alabama players got into a heated altercation with a male outside of the club
They called him to come back to retreive the gun and started firing before he was able to leave or even knew what was going on
I doubt he willingly went to a location he knew his car was going to be shot up at

If Miles legally owned the gun and was legally allowed to carry it but had left it in his car, not sure how that's a crime to give it back

 

[LogGrad98]

Premeditation matters a lot

It is literally the difference between manslaughter and murder, generally speaking.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So he brings a guy a loaded gun and doesn't think there is a chance that it will be used. That is some horse **** right there. Being young doesn't excuse that type of ********.

You know the other car had a gun, right.

 

[Elizah Huge]

He wasn’t charged with anything though. What can they charge him with unless there was premeditation from him?

 

[Elizah Huge]

It is literally the difference between manslaughter and murder, generally speaking.

He’s not the one who shot them though.

 

[YoungJefe]

He’s not the one who shot them though.

And he literally almost got shot by the boyfriend of the victim

 

[sip]

You know the other car had a gun, right.

Your type of thinking is really disgusting and the reason we have so many innocent bystanders killed in these situations. There is no good reason for him to bring him a gun. Miles could have left the situation or called the cops if someone was threatening him. As far as we know though Miles was the aggressor and Miller brought him the final tool.

 

[sip]

He wasn’t charged with anything though. What can they charge him with unless there was premeditation from him?

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. The charge would be accessory to murder. Now that this story is blowing up I would expect a fresh look from the district attorney.

 

[Elizah Huge]

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. The charge would be accessory to murder. Now that this story is blowing up I would expect a fresh look from the district attorney.

I’m pretty sure they would have charged him initially if there was something to be charged for. They would have to have proof that he knew it was going to be used in a shooting which sounds pretty hard to prove.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Your type of thinking is really disgusting and the reason we have so many innocent bystanders killed in these situations. There is no good reason for him to bring him a gun. Miles could have left the situation or called the cops if someone was threatening him. As far as we know though Miles was the aggressor and Miller brought him the final tool.

We have innocent bystanders cuz guns exist. I don't want guns to exist, but the laws allow them.

I'm guessing there is more to the story than we know and I'm sure alcohol was heavily involved.

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[HermanG]

Sounds like what happened:
Brandon Miller dropped off his teammates at the club in a vehicle that he co-owns with the other suspect but didn't stay
The other two Alabama players got into a heated altercation with a male outside of the club
They called him to come back to retreive the gun and started firing before he was able to leave or even knew what was going on
I doubt he willingly went to a location he knew his car was going to be shot up at

If Miles legally owned the gun and was legally allowed to carry it but had left it in his car, not sure how that's a crime to give it back

I thought the victim was on a fast food drive through waiting for their order. Millers buddies were there as well and went to hit on the girls but got sent away by the victims BF. They then called Miller in who not only brought them the gun but barricaded the drive-in lane with his car.

Havent read all the details.. but my guess is this:

Miller was told to bring the gun so they gonna scare some out of towners who dissed them.. but they didnt know that Harris' BF also had a gun and when he pulled it on Davis he started randomly firing at their direction killing the woman.

Thats my 5c.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

He wasn’t charged with anything though. What can they charge him with unless there was premeditation from him?

There is likely a 'knowledge and intent' standard that would be applied to see if Miller was an accessory to the crime committed, in this case a homicide. However, the situation is ugly enough that teams may keep their distance regardless of whether Miller is charged. The bottom line is that Miller apparently carried a murder weapon to a crime scene. Regardless of how much he knew about what was going to happen (or what might happen), that just shows poor judgement, and it shows he's running with a bad crowd.

 

[YoungJefe]

There is likely a 'knowledge and intent' standard that would be applied to see if Miller was an accessory to the crime committed, in this case a homicide. However, the situation is ugly enough that teams may keep their distance regardless of whether Miller is charged. The bottom line is that Miller apparently carried a murder weapon to a crime scene. Regardless of how much he knew about what was going to happen (or what might happen), that just shows poor judgement, and it shows he's running with a bad crowd.

Weren't they his teammates?

 

[KqWIN]

I think I get it... I just don't agree with some of it. Wings that pass and create seem really rare... whereas guys that Black would be great next to seem abundant. Even if he isn't an "every down" creator I think he is very much a point guard.

I just think he could do his brand of point guard next to Trae, Kyrie, Donovan, Dame, Garland, Luka etc. A lot of those point guards would thrive next to a pass first point guard and his defense would cover up some holes. He'd also work well with Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal types... So I get that he isn't likely to be a volume scorer but I'd rather have that than what George would project to bring.

I look at it as he could be your point guard in a pass first organizer type of way... he could also thrive next to a pg, sg, wing that is a primary scorer and take some creation off their plate. I do think his passing is better than his assist numbers show... I've watched 5-6 games and am truly amazed at how little space there is or the 1-2 games he sets guys up with layups and the pass is bobbled.

I think there's just an oustanding question of, do you even want Anthony Black to create? He might not be good enough just like his shooting might not be good enough. That's the bigger question than what position you're calling him. For example, it really means absolutely nothing if you call Dyson Daniels the PG and CJ the SG if they play together. It matters what they do, and I think Black is closer to a PG who dribbles the ball up and stands in a corner than a PG who initiates and creates offense. A PG who does little creation is awfully similar to a Wing that does a little creation....and Black is in that category for me. When I bring up the question "is he even a PG?", I'm talking about the extent to which he can create offense. I don't think anyone really thinks that the question "Is he a PG" means "can he play next to Trae Young".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is likely a 'knowledge and intent' standard that would be applied to see if Miller was an accessory to the crime committed, in this case a homicide. However, the situation is ugly enough that teams may keep their distance regardless of whether Miller is charged. The bottom line is that Miller apparently carried a murder weapon to a crime scene. Regardless of how much he knew about what was going to happen (or what might happen), that just shows poor judgement, and it shows he's running with a bad crowd.

The crowd is his teammate. The guy who shot at the car and hit the woman is the teammate's friend (this is me putting two and two together seeing as they are both from the Maryland area, could be wrong).

The gun was owned by the teammate, not Miller, Miller brought the gun to the teammate upon request, then the teammate gave the gun to the person who did the shooting.

The situation is being reported as these two guys (not Brandon Miller) trying to talk to this woman, her rejecting them, then some kind of confrontation between the two guys and the woman's boyfriend (who had a gun), Miller/Bradley bring the gun and park at the exits (which this is somehow blocking them in, but they get out after the shots are fired, so it wasnt impossible for them to drive away despite the wording making it seem that way. Then shots happened and the woman is dead. That's what really makes this a story because a young woman died who should not have been in the middle of what was probably the result of toxic drunk masculinity.


Sounds like stupid drunk people with guns doing stupid drunk things and Brandon Miller got sucked into trying to help a teammate not die. I'm not a lawyer so I dont know if Miller did anything against the law. Is bringing a gun to the gun's owner illegal? Can you be an accessory to murder/manslaughter/whatever it is if you gave the gun to someone who then gave the gun to someone else? Certainly hope Miller learns from this, but your teammate/friend tells you they are in trouble and they need their gun it's going to be a hard thing for someone to say no to, especially if they feel some sort of loyalty towards the person (a teammate).

 

[Eddie Zero]

I think there's just an oustanding question of, do you even want Anthony Black to create? He might not be good enough just like his shooting might not be good enough. That's the bigger question than what position you're calling him. For example, it really means absolutely nothing if you call Dyson Daniels the PG and CJ the SG if they play together. It matters what they do, and I think Black is closer to a PG who dribbles the ball up and stands in a corner than a PG who initiates and creates offense. A PG who does little creation is awfully similar to a Wing that does a little creation....and Black is in that category for me. When I bring up the question "is he even a PG?", I'm talking about the extent to which he can create offense. I don't think anyone really thinks that the question "Is he a PG" means "can he play next to Trae Young".

The only reason anyone should be looking at Black at all, is his versatile potential as a plus defender in the back court.I mean with size to defend some 3's. His playmaking based on bbiq is a positive, but his ball handling is so bad for a lead ball handler, there is no way any NBA coach would use him as the floor general full time. Well not unless they were directed to do so by a GM hell-bent on tanking. His shooting is not elite enough to make up for his deficiencies on ball and imo he is a meh shooting off ball wing with switchable defensive skill but should go back to ARK for a 2nd season and improve his shooting.
I think he is overrated as is, but I guess if he can play good defense from the jump, and they beleive in him as a positive role player,or eventual fringe starter type to develop over time.
Then sure he might get the nod over some higher upside types like Hendricks with our second pick. I do not see us even remotely considering him with the first of 3, unless we make the playoffs and the Wolves did as well. At that point he might be the bpa

 

[idiot]

We have innocent bystanders cuz guns exist. I don't want guns to exist, but the laws allow them.

I'm guessing there is more to the story than we know and I'm sure alcohol was heavily involved.

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I'm having a hard time understanding why the presence or absence of alcohol should make a difference in how we look at this.