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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Black would help… might only play 15-20 minutes though. Doubt GG will play that much… Sidy gets 10-15minutes. IDK if it will be that bad.
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This is probably true. I could see a scenario where we don't really do much this offseason in terms of free agency or trades and use next year as a development year for the 3 rookies and just let them play a ton, but I think it's unlikely. I think Ainge is going to want to start spending some of those draft assets and cap space...like he said during the end of season press conference...shopping spree!
 
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I’ve been a skeptic of Black’s PG skills, especially in the half court. I feel like he’s been put into that Lonzo/Giddey archetype, but those guys are elite passers regardless of size. whereas Black might struggle to create offense and playmake at an above average level. Some are more bullish….I still have these concerns. I fear he gets caught in the dilemma where he’s not good enough off the ball due to his shooting, but also not quite effective enough with the ball in his hands.

Having said that….I think Will Hardy is the right man to trust with Black’s development and push him towards his higher outcomes. Anyone and everybody who played PG for us played well this season. I don’t think it’s totally necessary to grab a PG, but I’m intrigued by the thought of giving Hardy a PG with good tools like Black.

If we don’t take Black at #9, I still think Bailey is a reasonable option at #28. I found these two article’s interesting:



As you can see, a lot of similar strengths and weaknesses there. You like the ability to attack the basket, defense, and size if they can play PG. But the shooting is a question mark, as is the ability to play PG in both cases. I’d also like to note that both had their mentality/competitive spirit applauded. While I think the “he gets in the gym at 4am” stuff is kinda mumbo jumbo….you do see their competitiveness when they step on the court and that’s what really matters.

The author is more bullish on Black’s PG skills than myself and also questions Bailey on his PG skill (fair). I’d agree that Black is further along and has a lot more size. He is the better prospect. But if you’re willing to make a bet that Hardy can develop a good PG and help develop those skills (THT/Sexton anyone?), Bailey is also a good one to bet on. I like throwing Black or Bailey into the mix as they are both more defensive/offensive connector focused.
 
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ONE LOVE said:
Yes, I’m the only one driving that bus though.. or a van.. or probably more like a moped at this point.

He’s gotten no traction around here yet basically.
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He got talked about a lot about 250 pages ago.

I liked him a lot until I watched 2 complete games of him and honestly was really underwhelmed. I’d still love to be convinced but he’d need a great combine/workouts.

Have you watched him in a full game setting?
 
Bodhi said:
He got talked about a lot about 250 pages ago.

I liked him a lot until I watched 2 complete games of him and honestly was really underwhelmed. I’d still love to be convinced but he’d need a great combine/workouts.

Have you watched him in a full game setting?
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Not yet, what’s a good game to watch?
 
What was the logic behind Kris Dunn being picked before Jamaal Murray?

Anyone remember?

One was in G League .. one is starring in the playoffs…
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Nah… rookies don’t have to murder your team and they don’t have to be AS quality year one either. Lots of rookies played roles this year and helped teams. If they suck bad they won’t play… we may end up worse but it won’t be by much.
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3 rookies definitely will murder your team. The Jazz also don't have Conley for any games.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sure, but what other skills has Hawkins for sure have? His lack of in-between and rim finishing worries me. Was he just a player in a perfect situation?
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If the worst case scenario is that hawkins is kyle korver then I definitely take him with the minny pick but would be tough to take him at 9.
 
Bodhi said:
I don’t think GG lacks confidence at all, I just don’t see him being NBA ready for awhile.

I’ve gone every direction on Black that I don’t know what to think right now. I def don’t see him running the point for us in his rookie season. Maybe some minutes as a secondary ball handler/defender but would likely need to be paired with KO if he’s still around and not WK.
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i think you and i are pretty close on Black in general, but i think i differ in terms of his readiness to step right in. for a OAD he seems to have a very mature game and an nba ready body. my issue with him is that he doesn't seem very dynamic offensively - but the flipside to that is that he seems to have a steady offensive game, doesn't try to do too much, makes the right play, and will hold his own defensively in comparison to other oads. if any OAD can come in and play meaningful minutes right away black might be that guy.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Has Maxwell Lewis been discussed much? Because he’s good. Really good.
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he was absolutely horrendous in wcc play. wcc. not exactly a killer conference and he was horrible. 41% FGs and 25% 3pt, negative assist/to ratio, and his team couldn't beat anybody. so not only was he really bad individually, but he wasn't doing anything to help his team win either.

you say he's good, really good. what is he good at? let alone really good at. and again, this while playing in a pretty bad league. if you're a legit nba prospect you should be able produce good numbers in a bad league as a second year guy.
 
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Locke is saying that the draft is inverted. There are lots of highly performing prospects (in terms of percentiles) in the 20's of the draft then in the beginning of the draft. It's a head scratcher why the market is mixing up the values of the players in regards to their performance and their projected draft order.

For instance, Leonard Miller is one of the best transistion players and he is projected in the late 20's. Or there are some shooters/scorers at the rim (Kobe?) who are also projected late.
 
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whatthe said:
Locke is saying that the draft is inverted. There are lots of highly performing prospects (in terms of percentiles) in the 20's of the draft then in the beginning of the draft. It's a head scratcher why the market is mixing up the values of the players in regards to their performance and their projected draft order.

For instance, Leonard Miller is one of the best transistion players and he is projected in the late 20's. Or there are some shooters/scorers at the rim (Kobe?) who are also projected late.
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Locke says a lot of things. Doesn't make them true.
 
whatthe said:
Locke is saying that the draft is inverted. There are lots of highly performing prospects (in terms of percentiles) in the 20's of the draft then in the beginning of the draft. It's a head scratcher why the market is mixing up the values of the players in regards to their performance and their projected draft order.

For instance, Leonard Miller is one of the best transistion players and he is projected in the late 20's. Or there are some shooters/scorers at the rim (Kobe?) who are also projected late.
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Essentially a lot of the top freshman underperformed so you are getting a lot of less valued pre-season prospects performing better by statistical analysis. I wouldnt take Locke's first impression as gospel, he isnt meaning it to be that way.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Only need to draft the runner up in ROTY voting .

Dieng only played in 38 games. Williams (the not as good one) played 49.
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Which is exactly how Hardy will play it with our rookies. If they aren’t ready they will play sparingly. If they are good… they will play more. With two picks in the top 16 and 1 late first it is not inconceivable that we land one rookie who is on the all rookie team, one who is okay for a 9th-10th man, and one who bakes in the g league all year.
 
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