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Handlogten's Heros said:
Me: Sets calendar appointment for 2027.

Notes: Reminder to bump the summer league thread so that Cy can crow about guessing right on a raw prospect in bombastic fashion. Or bump the thread and have him give 12 excuses why he was right and still needs time or a better situation to succeed. It was promised to be "fun".
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I can hear the excuses now. "If he was drafted anywhere but Washington he would have been a star."
 
Elizah Huge said:
I can hear the excuses now. "If he was drafted anywhere but Washington he would have been a star."
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Please show me the prospects I make excuses for? I think Washington is a great place for him to be and I think Washington is a making a ton of great moves and I believe in the direction they are taking the team.
 
One other observation related to summer league as a predictor of future success, there are lots of rookies who didn't play summer league, but still played really well in their rookie year. Not playing in the summer least might not be that big of a deal or any type of set back.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
One other observation related to summer league as a predictor of future success, there are lots of rookies who didn't play summer league, but still played really well in their rookie year. Not playing in the summer least might not be that big of a deal or any type of set back.
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probably better than playing and playing poorly, tbh. yeah, summer league is fun, it's a chance for guys to get out and compete, but missing it entirely is a complete non-issue.
 
stitches said:
10% from 3 is not his real shooting ability. He shot 34% from 3 last year in France on 119 attempts. He shot 21% the previous year on 86 attempts. That's super small samples. His FT% was 71% on 170 attempts.... IMO it points to... not a great shooter... but it also suggests that there might be room for improvement and real reachable potential of at least an average shooter. His shot is not the picture of beauty or anything but I also don't see anything particularly wrong with it mechanically. If I had to bet... I wouldn't bet he goes on to be average shooter, but it's possible. IMO the most likely scenario is he ends up being around 30-33% 3p shooter in the NBA.
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Ok so after reading your post, you obviously agree that he is not a good shooter currently. And maybe he can one day get to be average. Cool.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Where? Please show me where I do that for draft prospects?

You arent ever involved in draft talks bud, dont come in here and speak on **** you dont know about.

I was down on George (had him #23) and since said I'm wrong. I'm completely capable of saying I'm wrong about a draft prospect and dont really care about doing so.
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Lol. I posted in the draft thread a ton. Though that isn't what we are discussing. You definitely posted in there a ton and I read many of your posts. Saw bias galore.
 
Side note to the "being invisible" thing. If that's a big deal to you, you might find yourself with similar concerns about Hendricks. When I watched full games of his he went very long stretches of not being involved at all. The difference between he and Bilal would be that Hendricks inserts himself into the game by being an aggressive shooter, but not much at all in terms of being an on ball player. Bilal is not an aggressive shooter off the ball, but he inserts himself into the game as a slasher/PnR ball handler. It is a much simpler path for Hendricks to become asolid offensive NBA player, but Bilal is more likely to be an initiator. And it makes sense, Hendricks is a good shooter whereas Bilal played PG for most of his career. They are different players, but neither is dominating a lot of the offensive action.

I think we probably make a bigger deal out of this than we should. If you're watching a game and zeroing in on a single player, chances are you'll find yourself bored by all the times nothing happens unless they have that clear #1 role. Keyonte is one of the highest usage guys in summer league and we still have complaints about him getting frozen out. It's just a different viewing experience when you're focusing on one guy versus watching a game normally.
 
KqWIN said:
Side note to the "being invisible" thing. If that's a big deal to you, you might find yourself with similar concerns about Hendricks. When I watched full games of his he went very long stretches of not being involved at all. The difference between he and Bilal would be that Hendricks inserts himself into the game by being an aggressive shooter, but not much at all in terms of being an on ball player. Bilal is not an aggressive shooter off the ball, but he inserts himself into the game as a slasher/PnR ball handler. It is a much simpler path for Hendricks to become asolid offensive NBA player, but Bilal is more likely to be an initiator. And it makes sense, Hendricks is a good shooter whereas Bilal played PG for most of his career. They are different players, but neither is dominating a lot of the offensive action.

I think we probably make a bigger deal out of this than we should. If you're watching a game and zeroing in on a single player, chances are you'll find yourself bored by all the times nothing happens unless they have that clear #1 role. Keyonte is one of the highest usage guys in summer league and we still have complaints about him getting frozen out. It's just a different viewing experience when you're focusing on one guy versus watching a game normally.
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I dont care about being invisible if you produce and do so efficiently. In fact if you can do that while being invisible then that is actually pretty damn awesome
 
bufkin has been interesting in this game. but the one that it is apparent, and it was apparent if you ever watched him at michigan it's that he's not a PG. he can shoot, he can score, damn near impossible to stay in front of, but he just isn't a natural passer/playmaker and when he goes to the bucket (again, just a beast to stay in front of) he has tunnel vision and as a result has had it ripped away, and been blocked 2 or 3 times - again, finding people just doesn't come naturally. but man, as a shooter/scorer, the extra spacing is going to be great for him - so damn quick off the bounce and a beautiful stroke from distance.
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont care about being invisible if you produce and do so efficiently. In fact if you can do that while being invisible then that is actually pretty damn awesome
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I'm neutral about it, but if it does matter to you that a guy is invisible....chances are you won't like you see with the Hendricks film. It's legitimately boring to watch his games because of how little he does. Again, not saying that's a bad thing, but if it matters a lot to you it is a very relevant thing to think about with Hendricks.
 
Keefe said:
My guy Sidy has pretty much sucked, right?
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i wouldn't say sucked, rather just hasn't done much. he's taken a total of 11 shots in three games. he's only 3-11, but he's rebounded pretty well - with 16 rebs in those 3 games in limited minutes. where a guy like leonard miller is so aggressive and forces a lot of his own action, cissoko tends to let things come to him and if they don't he's just kind of out there.
 
stitches said:
What about in 3 years?
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Based on what I am hearing from others... in a year we can't quite judge him anyway... so why would I guess that right now? In 3 years maybe he jumps back in the top 10... nobody knows.
 
KqWIN said:
Side note to the "being invisible" thing. If that's a big deal to you, you might find yourself with similar concerns about Hendricks. When I watched full games of his he went very long stretches of not being involved at all. The difference between he and Bilal would be that Hendricks inserts himself into the game by being an aggressive shooter, but not much at all in terms of being an on ball player. Bilal is not an aggressive shooter off the ball, but he inserts himself into the game as a slasher/PnR ball handler. It is a much simpler path for Hendricks to become asolid offensive NBA player, but Bilal is more likely to be an initiator. And it makes sense, Hendricks is a good shooter whereas Bilal played PG for most of his career. They are different players, but neither is dominating a lot of the offensive action.

I think we probably make a bigger deal out of this than we should. If you're watching a game and zeroing in on a single player, chances are you'll find yourself bored by all the times nothing happens unless they have that clear #1 role. Keyonte is one of the highest usage guys in summer league and we still have complaints about him getting frozen out. It's just a different viewing experience when you're focusing on one guy versus watching a game normally.
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That is a massive reach. He wasn’t that invisible to average 15.1 PPG.
 
Elizah Huge said:
That is a massive reach. He wasn’t that invisible to average 15.1 PPG.
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Well that’s kind of his thing, isn’t it? You will barely notice him on the floor but then you look down at the box score and it looks good. Like I said, it’s not necessarily a good or bad thing. But if it concerns you that a player feels invisible, that would be a concern with Hendricks.
 
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