I agree with you, i hope you will pass me soon in rep number and satisfy yourself so that you will write less about basketball and i will make less face palms when i read you
All you Jefferson haters just can't handle his sauce
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I agree with you, i hope you will pass me soon in rep number and satisfy yourself so that you will write less about basketball and i will make less face palms when i read you
fallenchicken
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Ladies, be nice. Can't we just disagree?
Apparently not. Anyone who disagrees is weak, retarded and should be stoned.
You make me smile. All this time fighting and then BAM! On the reasonable side. You should go into politics.
Haha, you are right, but i think i will keep fighting a while more. There are still people hoping Jefferson will turn into Duncan one day.
MK11
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I've said I'm not a Big Al hater but if we consider there is still a high trade possibility on the way, my first option would be Big Al to trade no matter how he plays rigth now. Of course for a good return though. And if Al stays and Millsap goes, then I'll be cursing KOC everyday.
I would have been totally on-board with this except the Jazz are 8-4 and Al is playing like an all-star. I'd rather see who steps it up in the playoffs and who withers. Then make trades in the off season.
I dont disagree with that, but Big Al is playing like an all star in some games, and he just hurts the team in other games, i dont see any consistency that i would expect from an allstar, anyway i dont think Big Al will be anything better than he is right now or he will play like a superstar in the playoffs, but its better for Favors and especially Kanter to come off the bench this season. Right now things are going ok, it is sensible to consider any possible trades in the off season (especially if we have the 7th draft pick from gsw).
Brown Notes
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Classic Sepanol backtracking and talking out of both sides of his mouth.
In the offseason Al Jefferson was persona non grata. There was no way he could be a productive starter on a competitive team. He was selfish, fat, stupid, lazy, a man who could not possibly, ever, play help defense. There was no way he could improve on the game we saw from him last year, which of course was awful according to a very confident contingent of Jazz fans.
He (and maybe Sap too) had to go in order to make room for the young blood who were badly in need of being guaranteed starter minutes.
He just COULD NOT get any better right? Guys as old as this fat *** can never learn. Yet here's Sepanol admitting the guy is having some great games. "Playing like and All-Star", in fact. Hmm. Well, the only thing left to do is raise the bar. Now Jefferson sucks because he won't look like a "Superstar" in the playoffs. Oh, yea, also we are right back to July saying that even though he's better than last year he can't possibly show any MORE improvement
Now the weird part of all this is the conclusion that both Favors AND the holy of holies himself, the Big Turkey, probably should be coming off the bench behind this colossal failure of a player. No to mention wrapping all this up in a thin veil of "reasonableness". Things are going all right? How can that be when Al Jefferson is such a terrible anchor on a team? Why should your boy play behind him if there is no possibility of Al improving (more)? How is Corbin instilling this fantastic team defense when the highest paid man is lazy, incompetent, selfish, stupid, etc?
It doesn't add up to you being right about AJ. In fact the opposite is true. Just the other day you accused him of only having one good game. Now he's playing like an All Star some of the time. What's next? Oh, yea. Next it's going to be "don't trust him for the playoffs".
LOL!
You either have comprehension problem or you didnt read any of my posts in off season. I never said Big Al is a complete junk. Last season he had games like this too, but he wasnt consistent. Well it depends on what you mean with all star, Boozer and Memo was allstars too. But Big Al for me isnt a player of his salary. Does anyone realize that he is getting paid twice as millsap but contributing less?
I never said anything bad about millsap and i always supported him, you add 'maybe Sap too' without knowing any **** just making things look more exaggarated and get more supporters in this case. Also i never said in a competitive team, i said in a contender. Big Al never will be a productive starter on a contender, or do you think we are already contenders?
I never backtrack and talking out of both sides, i am always totally against your opinions because they dont make sense. Only thing i would step back is, i was supporting Favors and Kanter to get major mins in off season, but now i think it may be better for their development to get less mins.
For me Big Al is never a smart player who produces parallel to his talent. In last few games, maybe Ty hit on his head with a big metal bar and he realized he has to pass at times, so he is doing it, but he still makes bad decisions, he thinks he is Nowitzki and shooting everything he gets the ball in mid range, you cant say he made improvement just looking at 1-2 games, he has to show same signs in longer time. But since you pursue every opportunity that Big Al plays good so you can write something to silence me, thats really stupid. I watched the game yesterday, he didnt play good, 4-14 is not an allstar number you know, just because he gave couple of back door passes, he helped the team, and his stupid brain doesnt take it he has to play it smart, because if you dont play smart, then your talent doesnt mean anything. Miles is same as him, he has talent but dont know how to use him.
Honestly, i dont think Big Al will be anything special ever, he looks good right now because everyone is playing good, and Kanter will be much better than Big Al in a few years, thats for sure, but still, i wouldnt mind seeing him until the end of the season, i am not on the trade him immediately wagon, just it is really funny that guys like you turn around 180 degree after each game.
Brown Notes
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Just going to burn down the bolded.
1. Yes you did. You hated him more than anyone except maybe Numbs. You thought the team would be better without him. If I was to say, for instance, that Kanter is a stupid, lazy, selfish player that will never get any better it would certainly be fitting for someone to accuse me of calling him garbage. Of course Kanter is not those things, just an example.
2. As I tried to show you about 50 times in the offseason, his salary has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING. It's not your money. Utah does not have a single key player that needs to be re-signed in the period remaining on his contract. The fact you focus on this so much really shows the weakness of the rest of your agenda driven hate.
3. The point of including Sap is to stress the overemphasis that many fans had put on the young players, including you. It's very easy to fall into a mindset in which a team is in total nuke mode when there is a lot of new talent. Utah wasn't and It's obvious now that the veterans are the main factor in Corbin's success implementing his new approach. Not accusing you of hating Sap.
4. Nowitzki again, LOL! As if it's a crime for Jefferson to take a wide open J. He can certainly hit that shot. It's not a good thing to do all the time but he hits it at a reasonable rate. And no, he doesn't just shoot the ball every time he touches it. Wrong again.
5. This is more classic Sepanol. AJ can't be a good player based on scoring/stats, but if you think he had a bad game it's all good to bring them up. This is exactly what I mean about talking out of both sides of your mouth. Even bringing up stats you ignore his good ones, the 4 ASSISTS and 13 BOARDS. Aren't we talking about a lazy, selfish, stupid player? Or are the Clips a terrible rebounding front court? Al had an impact on the game while having a very poor shooting night, which is what good players have to be able to do.
Go to your room.
MVP
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I somehow have hard time seeing this. Maybe better rebounder but not as player overall.
Lets make things clear again since you dont seem to have the brain to understand my posts or maybe my english is too bad to explain.
I never said Big Al is garbage or never hated him so much, at least not as much as you hated Kanter. I was very happy when we traded him but after watching him whole year, i had a conclusion that he is something like another Boozer, maybe has more ambition for winning instead of money, thats it. And it was long before Kanter was drafted, so why would i see him like a barrier in front of Kanter?
Of course if we extend him to a long term contract i would see it that way, but now there is no reason for that, if Kanter is as good as i back him up and Jefferson is not an amazing player like you imagine, he will already be traded latest in 2 years, because somehow we need to balance the salaries you know? It is not my freaking money but you cant have 5 superstars in one team unless you convince them to get mid level exception each.
Millsap is right now the best player in this team, he is a perfect proof how can someone play basketball without having the best physical advantage. He is everything that Jefferson isnt, he plays with his brain, he plays 300% of his capacity, while Jefferson plays with 30%. I think Jefferson is more talented overall but when you are stupid, it doesnt make any difference. I dont know how things gonna end up in a few years, but honestly i wouldnt like if Millsap will be paid 14 py, because he isnt worth that much, and Big Al , hell no he doesnt worth 14-15. This year it seems ok since we are already under salary cap but that will be a big problem in future as we have so many young and talented guys. It is not my money but maybe your little brain can take why i am worried so much about money now.
And yes, it is very stupid for him to take so many wide open shots every game, because it is not his best ability, he is an average shooter as a big man, and he has good ability under the rim, why doesnt he use this ability and pass it to wide open people instead of shooting every ball he gets? That seems really stupid. I hope someone will hit his head with a big hammer and make him realize which is more smart way.
I didnt ignore his good ones, i already mentioned somewhere, maybe in another thread that it was impressive he had 4 assists and 13 boards, which still i dont think he is a good rebounder, but i also told 4-14 is a slightly better than **** for such a good scorer big man. For me stats are important until some point, but it prevents you to see the big picture, it doesnt show your decision making ability, your defensive ability, your basketball iq, so it is pretty much something only people who doesnt watch any basketball games rely on. I prefer to first watch the game and then look at the stats.
To sum up, Jefferson is not a complete player, even in his best games, you can never point out that he played really smart or he made the best choices in every possession while you say this every game for Millsap. However even though he is stupid, lazy, cant defend (not selfish though he doesnt pass because he doesnt have iq), he is a very talented big man, thanks to his talents and his big body, he can make tough shots and scores in some difficult situations. But it is not enough to carry a contender in your shoulders you know, in a team that everyone is playing well, he plays good because they dont come to double team up or pressure him so much, but he can be a franchise player only in Minnesota of 2 years ago, which he couldnt even be there, they moved him when they found Kevin Love.
So as much as i am ok with him staying 1 more year, i still see no future of him and jazz together. Because he is .. he is Big Al , thats it
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Brown Notes is just ****ting all over Sepanol right now
No surprise because you see only Valanciunas as a better player than him. People call me Big Al hater but noone calls you Kanter hater even though you criticize him in every possession in game threads,in every opportunity you can find, interesting.
By the way, he is already a better rebounder not he will be
He is just bull.****ting
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Nope, he's just making you look stupid after how much of a scrub you alleged Jefferson to be in the off-season. Sucks eating crow, doesn't it?