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Elizah Huge said:
If the price for LaVine was truly as low as Collins/Clarkson we essentially get LaVine for Clarkson, Gay, a 2nd, and cap space.
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And all the opportunity costs that come with having a contract that big for that long. One extra year and the bigger the contract the harder it is to plan around. I think Zach’s current deal could be a better contract than BI’s next deal though.
 
Listened to Bulls Talk pod with KC Johnson who has been behind the reporting that the price on Zach is lower. They proposed a Zach for Isaac deal to Orlando. I think by how they were talking about Isaac that they don’t quite understand how good he was this year. But it was interesting. Isaac is a better trade package than JCx2 by a lot imo. I also don’t think Orlando does that. The fit there could be pretty good though and I hadn’t thought about that one. Might be more of a Cole Anthony for Lavine and maybe Orlando sends something else but thought it was interesting.
 
For Collins the best trade partner I still think is Detroit and it would partially depend on what they think of Duren. Collins would be doing a lot of the things I could see them wanting Duren to do.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
For Collins the best trade partner I still think is Detroit and it would partially depend on what they think of Duren. Collins would be doing a lot of the things I could see them wanting Duren to do.
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Collins has some decent trade fits out there. I could see the Kings kicking the tires on him too.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If we could get to Denver great but right now best we can do is a $59 ticket to Bentonville Arkansas with no promise of ever getting out… just save your money or drive to Atlanta to get a direct flight to the promised land.
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I will not abide any Bentonville slander!
 
Elizah Huge said:
Collins has some decent trade fits out there. I could see the Kings kicking the tires on him too.
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They may kick the tires but I think that’s an awful fit with Sabonis.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Which is exactly why it makes sense. Kangz gonna Kangz eventually.
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I don’t see it. Their basketball people aren’t bad. Collins isn’t a big swing that Vivek wants to shake things up. If they go full Kangz it’s a deal that they throw picks in for a bigger name. BI is one candidate.
 
I'm not sure it's that difficult to be a top 8 in the west team. We already have Sexton and Lauri. I think Kessler is going to have a better year next year. I think Hendricks can be a neutral player and I think we can re-sign Dunn and that gives you 5 neutral to positive NBA players.

I think there is a decent chance that Carter can come in right away and be a rotation level player, maybe we get another one with 29 or 32, or move them for one. Use some assets to get Ingram and cap space on Hartenstein, and I think you have a pretty balanced roster. I really think winning in the regular season is about limiting negative impact players. I think if you can surround Lauri and Sexton with legit rotation players we can be a good team. Then maybe Keyonte hits another level or we are able to trade for someone better than BI and all of assudden we are cooking.

I'm not saying we should go down this path as it likely ends up in perpetual first round exits. Personally I'm ok with something like this, only because I've stopped obsessing with a championship, and just want to watch as much good ball as I can.
 
Zach Lavine has a player option at $49M for the 26/27 season. Most teams are going to consider his contract prohibitive. He might be a fit for the Lakers if they think they can squeeze out one more playoff run.
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
I'm not sure it's that difficult to be a top 8 in the west team. We already have Sexton and Lauri. I think Kessler is going to have a better year next year. I think Hendricks can be a neutral player and I think we can re-sign Dunn and that gives you 5 neutral to positive NBA players.

I think there is a decent chance that Carter can come in right away and be a rotation level player, maybe we get another one with 29 or 32, or move them for one. Use some assets to get Ingram and cap space on Hartenstein, and I think you have a pretty balanced roster. I really think winning in the regular season is about limiting negative impact players. I think if you can surround Lauri and Sexton with legit rotation players we can be a good team. Then maybe Keyonte hits another level or we are able to trade for someone better than BI and all of assudden we are cooking.

I'm not saying we should go down this path as it likely ends up in perpetual first round exits. Personally I'm ok with something like this, only because I've stopped obsessing with a championship, and just want to watch as much good ball as I can.
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The Jazz don't have much advantage creation or isolation scoring. They're not built for the playoffs right now. It would just be more Colin Sexton and Keyonte trying to attack the defense to create something. We'd get pushed out of the playoffs like the Kings did this year. The competitive playoff teams have pretty elite on-ball creation, and we're not close to that.
 
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The problem with trading for an established star is that we'd be acquiring a 2-year or 3-year contract. It doesn't give us much of a window to work with if the player won't extend. The best teams start by drafting a foundational star that they have on 7 or 8 years of team control. That gives the team some time to build and tweak around their star.

Lauri should be willing to extend and play here 5+ years, but he isn't quite the foundational star we need.
 
Lauri is/was an All Star. If Kessler rebounds, they make Collins something more than the Bermuda Triangle and Key progresses that is a decent nucleus to build around.
 
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