Off-Season Rumblings

[KqWIN]

It is possible that Collins did enough in the second half of the season to make that JCx2 for Lavine trade viable. Maybe we have to toss in some seconds...whatever. I think that's viable. Make that trade and sign Pat Williams lol.

Giddey valued at 10+2025 MIN seems like a bit rich....but it's hard to pin the value on draft picks this year and whether or not the media is totally overreacting. I still feel as though Kessler would have more value than Giddey....but if I'm being too much of a homer they can't be too far off. Something to think about as far as a Kessler trade.

It was not the greatest season for Giddey for a number of reasons, but he's still not a bad prospect at all. They won't give him away. Maybe Kessler for Giddey straight up is the value that would get it done for both sides.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

All of what?

10+ likely 25 or worse in 2025?

Doesn't seem like that much to me. Is wait to see what Minny does in their off-season, but I don't see how that's bad. Maybe rework the trade to say "worse of the 3 picks the Jazz own in 2025" if that would make people feel more comfortable

Every team in the west is an injury away from being a play in team. Dallas was a lotto team last year. So I’m not giving up 10+ for a guy on the last year of his rookie deal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Every team in the west is an injury away from being a play in team. Dallas was a lotto team last year. So I’m not giving up 10+ for a guy on the last year of his rookie deal.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Giddey, despite his limitations, is still a hyper talented player on both ends. When SGA was sitting this year he averaged nearly a 20-10-10 triple double per 36.

It's a fair deal is my point. Maybe you think the 5% chance Minnesota is the 13th worst team in the NBA is enough to say no, but it's fair.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Giddey, despite his limitations, is still a hyper talented player on both ends. When SGA was sitting this year he averaged nearly a 20-10-10 triple double per 36.

It's a fair deal is my point. Maybe you think the 5% chance Minnesota is the 13th worst team in the NBA is enough to say no, but it's fair.

Both ends... you've seen him defend right?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Both ends... you've seen him defend right?

Great off ball defender and rebounder with size. He would help improve the D for sure

 

[Flc]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Giddey, despite his limitations, is still a hyper talented player on both ends. When SGA was sitting this year he averaged nearly a 20-10-10 triple double per 36.

It's a fair deal is my point. Maybe you think the 5% chance Minnesota is the 13th worst team in the NBA is enough to say no, but it's fair.

I don’t think I could deal with what will be constant Giddey/Malone/Drake’s new favorite franchise jokes.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don’t think I could deal with what will be constant Giddey/Malone/Drake’s new favorite franchise jokes.

Just wait until we trade for Giddey and sign Bridges

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don’t think I could deal with what will be constant Giddey/Malone/Drake’s new favorite franchise jokes.

Didn't it end up being an 18/17 kind of situation?

 

[underdog]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Giddey, despite his limitations, is still a hyper talented player on both ends. When SGA was sitting this year he averaged nearly a 20-10-10 triple double per 36.

It's a fair deal is my point. Maybe you think the 5% chance Minnesota is the 13th worst team in the NBA is enough to say no, but it's fair.

I also like Josh Giddey quite a bit. Still young, lots of potential.

 

[Flc]

Didn't it end up being an 18/17 kind of situation?

No idea, but haven’t seen a great deal of appreciation for nuance among fans.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No idea, but haven’t seen a great deal of appreciation for nuance among fans.

Well I mean nothing substantial came out. It all amounted to a guy (an anonymous person)on social media saying she was 15 and the date of the video never being know.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I'm not a Giddey fan. I watched a lot of OKC this year, and he never impressed me. He always looked like the weak link on the court, and I wasn't even sure his passing was that special. I decided to look at his on/off stats just to see if maybe I was being biased against him, and I'm starting to think maybe I was.

Specifically the number that jumped out to me was that OKC averaged 4.66 more assists per 100 possessions when Giddey was on the court vs off the court. OKC's offense improved by 5.18pts/100 possessions when he was on the court. Now he did somewhat negate that with OKC giving up 3.6 more pts/100possessions when he was on the court.

As a Comparison this year here are other on/off assists and points per 100 possessions: Mike Conley + 2.6asts/+0.21pts, Tyrese Haliburton +2.25asts/+4.9pts, Luka -1.15asts/+9.56pts, Jokic +7.67ast/+16.62pts, Trae Young -0.84asts/+4.04pts, Lebron +7.86asts/+9.03pts.

To further understand these numbers I went back to Prime Joe Ingles in Utah where he was at +6.27asts/+2.43pts. I think Giddey could have a similar effect on our offense as Joe Ingles. Defensively, I disagree with the statement that he would improve our defense. Maybe it can't be any worse. I'm still a pass on trading for Giddey, but I could get behind it a little bit more after seeing how he could really change the way we play.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I’m not nearly as high on Kessler as most on here. I would trade him + 10 to move up for Sheppard or Castle in a second.

If the Jazz are looking to trade Walker Kessler, I’d rather they do it next year in a stronger draft. I’m still a fan of his, but this directionless approach feels like a drag on these guys and their development.

 

[infection]

I also like Josh Giddey quite a bit. Still young, lots of potential.

That’s what he said.

 

[infection]

Sometimes the best decision is not to decide. See what happens.

Oh good. DA meets KOC. Buckle up.

 

[KqWIN]

I'm not a Giddey fan. I watched a lot of OKC this year, and he never impressed me. He always looked like the weak link on the court, and I wasn't even sure his passing was that special. I decided to look at his on/off stats just to see if maybe I was being biased against him, and I'm starting to think maybe I was.

Specifically the number that jumped out to me was that OKC averaged 4.66 more assists per 100 possessions when Giddey was on the court vs off the court. OKC's offense improved by 5.18pts/100 possessions when he was on the court. Now he did somewhat negate that with OKC giving up 3.6 more pts/100possessions when he was on the court.

As a Comparison this year here are other on/off assists and points per 100 possessions: Mike Conley + 2.6asts/+0.21pts, Tyrese Haliburton +2.25asts/+4.9pts, Luka -1.15asts/+9.56pts, Jokic +7.67ast/+16.62pts, Trae Young -0.84asts/+4.04pts, Lebron +7.86asts/+9.03pts.

To further understand these numbers I went back to Prime Joe Ingles in Utah where he was at +6.27asts/+2.43pts. I think Giddey could have a similar effect on our offense as Joe Ingles. Defensively, I disagree with the statement that he would improve our defense. Maybe it can't be any worse. I'm still a pass on trading for Giddey, but I could get behind it a little bit more after seeing how he could really change the way we play.

I think he would in a much better situation to perform on offense in UTA. He is definitely not a fit there playing next to Shai and Jalen. Playing UTA's offense that is much more about spreading out and hitting cutters would suit him well. KO and Dunn were really successful playing in the middle of the floor for us and I think Giddey would be perfect in the same role. Defensively....I don't think he's a great defender, but like you said it can't actually be any worse and his rebounding does contribute to team defense even if other areas are lacking.

 

[framer]

I don't think you are aware what sample size means. I would suggest looking it up

<eyeroll> It painfully clear you don't math for a living. His sample size of being a 50% shooter is just as large as high as him being a 60% shooter (the most recent sample.) If you want to be a ****head (your default position) I guess you could say he is a career 55% shooter which is NOT 50%

The rest of the NBA is comfortable by differentiating by season. I'll do it as well.

 

[David Stern]

All of what?

10+ likely 25 or worse in 2025?

Doesn't seem like that much to me. Is wait to see what Minny does in their off-season, but I don't see how that's bad. Maybe rework the trade to say "worse of the 3 picks the Jazz own in 2025" if that would make people feel more comfortable

I like combining a few of the ideas in here for a Giddey trade… Kessler + worst of 2025 picks for Giddey and the rights back to our pick feels about right to me. Kessler would be a great fit there, Giddey could be a great fit here. We also give OKC a guaranteed first rounder back in a great draft, where right now it looks like there’s a pretty good chance that our pick to them doesn’t ever convey

 

[HeatCheck]

I’m not nearly as high on Kessler as most on here. I would trade him + 10 to move up for Sheppard or Castle in a second.

I still like Kessler but would be open to trading him + 10 to move up for Clingan in this draft. Donovan just projects to have the higher ceiling as a 2 way NBA player.

It's going to be super unpopular but I would trade Key + 10 to move up for Reed Sheppard. I think he has the higher ceiling and would be the #1 pick if he were 2-3 inches taller and also if Calipari didn't undermine his guards at Kentucky. The Jazz don't have a single player on the top 25 list of players under the age of 25 so I would be rolling the dice to find a few of those types similar to what OKC has done. As much as I also like Keyonte does he project any higher than an Anfernee Simons type player?

I'm not dealing future picks unless I get back someone already on that top 25 list such as Cade. A blogger mocked a Cade trade for Utah and I'd be all over it. The chances that Detroit trades him are very slim but the Pistons just hired a new GM and their young lottery backcourt does not mesh at all.

Giddey would be fine but does he project any higher than being a really good utility type player? Maybe he's just being held back due to being a bad fit in OKC, but from my eye he's clearly at least a tier or two below the Jalen Williams and Chet types they have on their on their roster. I would be aiming a bit higher if I were Danny Ainge especially if it involved dealing future picks. Maybe that type trade doesn't materialize at all this offseason.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I still like Kessler but would be open to trading him + 10 to move up for Clingan in this draft. Donovan just projects to have the higher ceiling as a 2 way NBA player.

It's going to be super unpopular but I would trade Key + 10 to move up for Reed Sheppard. I think he has the higher ceiling and would be the #1 pick if he were 2-3 inches taller and also if Calipari didn't undermine his guards at Kentucky. The Jazz don't have a single player on the top 25 list of players under the age of 25 so I would be rolling the dice to find a few of those types similar to what OKC has done. As much as I also like Keyonte does he project any higher than an Anfernee Simons type player?

I'm not dealing future picks unless I get back someone already on that top 25 list such as Cade. A blogger mocked a Cade trade for Utah and I'd be all over it. The chances that Detroit trades him are very slim but the Pistons just hired a new GM and their young lottery backcourt does not mesh at all.

Giddey would be fine but does he project any higher than being a really good utility type player? Maybe he's just being held back due to being a bad fit in OKC, but from my eye he's clearly at least a tier or two below the Jalen Williams and Chet types they have on their on their roster. I would be aiming a bit higher if I were Danny Ainge especially if it involved dealing future picks. Maybe that type trade doesn't materialize at all this offseason.

Giddeya nearly averaged a triple double per 36 when Shai was out