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KqWIN said:
Absolutely.....Caruso is so valuable. I guess the interesting part about this for me is that Marks sees Lavine as less than Clarkson+Collins. No way Caruso is only worth the 25 Cavs pick.
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Yeah it shows the fact that the Lavine contract is underwater or more underwater than the Collins/Clarkson deals. I'm team tank but if they did this type of deal it makes sense.
 
Kar said:
ESPN’s Bobby Marks proposed this trade.
Jazz get Zach LaVine and Alex Caruso
Bulls get Clarkson, Collins and ‘25 Cavs pick.
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Yeah, I'd take that. The Cavs pick isnt going to be good. That trade makes the Jazz really damn good.

Also you can flip Caruso for a lottery pick if you believe the rumors that the Bulls turned down a lotto pick for him.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, I'd take that. The Cavs pick isnt going to be good. That trade makes the Jazz really damn good.

Also you can flip Caruso for a lottery pick if you believe the rumors that the Bulls turned down a lotto pick for him.
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Dang that's a good trade idea..we eat up our cap space but if Lavine (let him rest this year) returns to form, we get a poor man Mitchell and Caruso but we give up a valuable Cavs pick.

Still room to play with our remaining picks.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Not me. I think they did very solid. Built assets, drafted well, developed some players well, kept flexibility, and didn't waste any assets. Also did not completely **** our team by going scorched earth. We have a borderline all NBA player that's a unicorn and easy to build around with a million picks plus a handful of very young players with solid upside.

We could not have tanked more the first year. The team surprised us and played better than expected and we got a great player emerge that's worth way more than any pick that year besides the very low chance at #1. After the break we fully tanked which is the only time we could have. We got great players that are arguably just as valuable as anyone after the first pick.

This year we went into the year with the same team that lost a ton. The only way we could have been worse was trading away Lauri, which is really stupid. Also this years draft at the top sucks and it isn't worth it. But we did move up as much as possible at the end and got extra assets to do it.

Jazz did a great job.
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Totally agree with you on this point.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I guess by that analogy Donovan was a house we were behind on payments so the bank was going to repo/he was leaving.

Gobert was the house too expensive to renovate and getting old. He was a huge contract, getting old, and not someone we could rebuild around. He needed stars next to him and lots of great role players to do something.

So yeah, I'll take the cash 10/10 times in those scenarios.

Either way we can just sit back and draft until we land someone who is a huge difference maker, which is seemingly the way to go and those players are coming from all over the draft lately. Or we can use a chunk for that and have a ton to trade when it opens up. Owning a lot of the picks helps them be more valuable since it thins the market. Supply/demand.
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Amen. Boston did exactly that. None of their star players or high contributors were acquired via FA.
 
Kar said:
ESPN’s Bobby Marks proposed this trade.
Jazz get Zach LaVine and Alex Caruso
Bulls get Clarkson, Collins and ‘25 Cavs pick.
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Depends a bit on intelligence we have about Cleveland's pick next year, but unless that's a lottery pick this is a good deal for the Jazz.
 
whatthe said:
Dang that's a good trade idea..we eat up our cap space but if Lavine returns to form, we get a poor man Mitchell and Caruso but we give up a valuable Cavs pick.

Still room to play with our remaining picks.
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The Cavs pick wont end up being that valuable. Sure, I know, "ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN", but cmon now.

Like I said, you can flip Caruso for something really good. You could probably package Caruso and 10 to move up to 3 or just trade Caruso straight up for a late lotto/mid teens pick (I'm sure Sacramento would do 13 for Caruso). And honestly, that is maybe why the Jazz would consider this deal if they really like Castle like that. You kill multiple birds with one stone as you get off Clarkson/Collins, free up time for Kessler, add high end talent with LaVine, and get your guy with Castle.

I dont love having LaVine on the roster. It makes things a bit odd as you have Sexton/George/Keyonte as your core backcourt rotation (and you could probably add Castle to that list if we do the 10/Caruso for 3 deal) , so who goes to the bench? As I now own real estate on Sexton Island, I wouldnt like him going to the bench. Will LaVine even be healthy to start the season? Can you bring 40+ million dollar LaVine off the bench or do you bring Keyonte off the bench? Maybe you end up dealing Sexton at the end of the day if there is a strong offer?

I could see the roster end up being like this for opening day:

Sexton/Castle
Keyonte/LaVine/#29
Hendricks/Sensabaugh/#32
Lauri/Lofton
Walker/UFA

I dont know if that team is playoff good because of how strong the West is, but it has a chance if they mesh together well and LaVine recovers from his injuries.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Cavs pick wont end up being that valuable. Sure, I know, "ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN", but cmon now.

Like I said, you can flip Caruso for something really good. You could probably package Caruso and 10 to move up to 3 or just trade Caruso straight up for a late lotto/mid teens pick (I'm sure Sacramento would do 13 for Caruso). And honestly, that is maybe why the Jazz would consider this deal if they really like Castle like that. You kill multiple birds with one stone as you get off Clarkson/Collins, free up time for Kessler, add high end talent with LaVine, and get your guy with Castle.

I dont love having LaVine on the roster. It makes things a bit odd as you have Sexton/George/Keyonte as your core backcourt rotation (and you could probably add Castle to that list if we do the 10/Caruso for 3 deal) , so who goes to the bench? As I now own real estate on Sexton Island, I wouldnt like him going to the bench. Will LaVine even be healthy to start the season? Can you bring 40+ million dollar LaVine off the bench or do you bring Keyonte off the bench? Maybe you end up dealing Sexton at the end of the day if there is a strong offer?

I could see the roster end up being like this for opening day:

Sexton/Castle
Keyonte/LaVine/#29
Hendricks/Sensabaugh/#32
Lauri/Lofton
Walker/UFA

I dont know if that team is playoff good because of how strong the West is, but it has a chance if they mesh together well and LaVine recovers from his injuries.
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Intriguing possibilities and I would love all of that. But they may wait post lottery to see what happens with Mitchell and Garland
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Cavs pick wont end up being that valuable. Sure, I know, "ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN", but cmon now.

Like I said, you can flip Caruso for something really good. You could probably package Caruso and 10 to move up to 3 or just trade Caruso straight up for a late lotto/mid teens pick (I'm sure Sacramento would do 13 for Caruso). And honestly, that is maybe why the Jazz would consider this deal if they really like Castle like that. You kill multiple birds with one stone as you get off Clarkson/Collins, free up time for Kessler, add high end talent with LaVine, and get your guy with Castle.

I dont love having LaVine on the roster. It makes things a bit odd as you have Sexton/George/Keyonte as your core backcourt rotation (and you could probably add Castle to that list if we do the 10/Caruso for 3 deal) , so who goes to the bench? As I now own real estate on Sexton Island, I wouldnt like him going to the bench. Will LaVine even be healthy to start the season? Can you bring 40+ million dollar LaVine off the bench or do you bring Keyonte off the bench? Maybe you end up dealing Sexton at the end of the day if there is a strong offer?

I could see the roster end up being like this for opening day:

Sexton/Castle
Keyonte/LaVine/#29
Hendricks/Sensabaugh/#32
Lauri/Lofton
Walker/UFA

I dont know if that team is playoff good because of how strong the West is, but it has a chance if they mesh together well and LaVine recovers from his injuries.
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I think you only have a timeshare on Sexton Island. I think if Caruso and 10 can get you to 3 then so can Caruso and 11 and I would think Bulls would do that instead... but they also might be desperate to get off Lavine now and maybe they have someone at 11 they love.

I wouldn't hate this type of move. I would say there is zero chance Lavine would come off the bench in this scenario. Sexton or Key would be swapping out.

I think the Minny pick has more of a chance to be a lotto pick than the Cavs pick next year. Just because of the depth in the West vs. the East. One critical injury and you might be in the play in out West.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think you only have a timeshare on Sexton Island. I think if Caruso and 10 can get you to 3 then so can Caruso and 11 and I would think Bulls would do that instead... but they also might be desperate to get off Lavine now and maybe they have someone at 11 they love.

I wouldn't hate this type of move. I would say there is zero chance Lavine would come off the bench in this scenario. Sexton or Key would be swapping out.

I think the Minny pick has more of a chance to be a lotto pick than the Cavs pick next year. Just because of the depth in the West vs. the East. One critical injury and you might be in the play in out West.
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It's not even known if LaVine will be ready to go to start the season, so that may make it easy to bring him off the bench. It also may be why the Bulls would consider this? I wouldn't have made this proposal because of how weird the Bulls have been hoarding Caruso, but it comes from a national source so I guess it has some sort of possibility
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's not even known if LaVine will be ready to go to start the season, so that may make it easy to bring him off the bench. It also may be why the Bulls would consider this? I wouldn't have made this proposal because of how weird the Bulls have been hoarding Caruso, but it comes from a national source so I guess it has some sort of possibility
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Yeah but his bench stint would be temporary if it was a health thing. That wouldn't be the long term arrangement and you don't really want to mess with him getting upset with the money he's owed.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Wouldnt you prefer him getting upset if you plan on tanking?
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No... If we acquire him he needs to improve his value. Its kind of a win-win situation. If he plays well then we bought low... if he's hurt then he sits out and you lose more. Just pissing him off would be worst of both worlds imo.
 
Acquiring Zach is an anti tank move but I would get it because you are buying low on him especially if Caruso is involved. If you do that move you aren't looking to be bad. It just so happens he is injury prone and you may end up stumbling into the right decision. Not sure we'd be flipping Caruso in this scenario though and that would really mess with the tank and he is due an extension.
 
KqWIN said:
The GOAT Mario Hezonja is looking to make an NBA return. He actually became a good defender in the NBA but couldn't shoot for ****. Was a great shooter the past two years for Real Madrid. 29 years old, worth a look?
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Maybe Dante-like return?
 
Kar said:
ESPN’s Bobby Marks proposed this trade.
Jazz get Zach LaVine and Alex Caruso
Bulls get Clarkson, Collins and ‘25 Cavs pick.
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lol this trade, Danny ain't this dumb to take LaVine's ridiculous salary to handcuff the Jazz for 3 years.
 
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