What's new
By:

Jackpotting Around Episode 17

Jaanipoeg

Jaanipoeg

Well-Known Member

View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-17-warriors-tears-and-tanking-fears/id1728148741?i=1000664736464


Didn't see anything else about the new podcast, and we are in the bleakest part of the off-season so I think it more than deserves a post.

I liked this one, felt less directed but felt like the hosts played off each other well. Glad the era of having to listen to Warriors reporters is over, something about winning 4 titles in a decade makes then incredibly entitled and irrational.
 
thanks for posting. that was a long podcast. i just want to say 2 things. ingram sucks crap. the guy is always hurt. even if he accepted 35 million a year, which he never will, it a bad bad contract. he is never healthy. stay away from that guy. why would you give collins and kessler away. maybe give both collins and clarkson and a minnesota first for a 1 year renal of ingram plus murphy. then let ingram walk and now im on board. second, im registering my complaint. the jazz have to tank hard next season. i agree your not likely to have the worst record, but you need to try. flagg and lauri on our team is awesome. wembi and flagg would suck for 20 years.
 
oldtimer said:
thanks for posting. that was a long podcast. i just want to say 2 things. ingram sucks crap. the guy is always hurt. even if he accepted 35 million a year, which he never will, it a bad bad contract. he is never healthy. stay away from that guy. why would you give collins and kessler away. maybe give both collins and clarkson and a minnesota first for a 1 year renal of ingram plus murphy. then let ingram walk and now im on board. second, im registering my complaint. the jazz have to tank hard next season. i agree your not likely to have the worst record, but you need to try. flagg and lauri on our team is awesome. wembi and flagg would suck for 20 years.
Click to expand...
You're craY if you think 35 million a year for Ingram is a bad contract. Maxes are about to be at 50+ a year for 3rd contract players. Ingram was healthy for the post season so you're wrong about him never being healthy. Does he have great track record of health? No, but it isn't to the point where I would hesitate to sign him to a great contract like 35 per year.
 
You don't pass on I gram at 35 million per year point blank period. That's a fantastic contract. It's about 20% of the cap in 2 years

The Jazz do need to pay another player and actually use their capspace for the BS they have been wasting it on (outside of Lauri). A huge feature of their approach to team holding will be that nearly everyone is on a rookie scale deal. That affords you the ability to go out and get another max or near max player.

I get why they wouldn't want to do it now, but if you can sign Ingram at 35 million in the off-season you don't think twice about it
 
I do believe in Ainge, but his use of capspace has been piss poor. Wasting it on giving Clarkson a huge raise so we can have the privilege of overpaying him for 2 additional years. Or by having 3 years of John Collins. I guess there is still time to salvage these moves by making use of their contracts in a trade when they are expiring, but it's not looking good so far.

Even this Lauri contract. It's great to have the peace of mind he is staying here, but they spent 24 million dollars this year to do so. Even for a guy that likes Utah there is still a huge Utah tax to get players to stay here

Actually going out and signing an all-star caliber player like Ingram in 2025 would be amazing.
 
Jaanipoeg said:

View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-17-warriors-tears-and-tanking-fears/id1728148741?i=1000664736464


Didn't see anything else about the new podcast, and we are in the bleakest part of the off-season so I think it more than deserves a post.

I liked this one, felt less directed but felt like the hosts played off each other well. Glad the era of having to listen to Warriors reporters is over, something about winning 4 titles in a decade makes then incredibly entitled and irrational.
Click to expand...

Appreciate the bump friend!
 
To be clear when I threw out $30-35M a year I know that number is not close to what he is looking for. In general with extensions like that I think its okay to dig in a little. If we did it (we won't) I'd be okay not signing him and seeing if he "earned it" if he wasn't willing to come off of his 45-50M a year demand.

If you offered that he would likely be offended. If he came in and played 40 games again though... that would likely be above his market. In the extensions where the team takes the risk like that I would dig in and I think NBA teams have started to do that a little.

The Kuminga Sengun and Green extension talks kinda fascinating to me. Normal default has been to just pay the kids... think some may be headed for RFA.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I do believe in Ainge, but his use of capspace has been piss poor. Wasting it on giving Clarkson a huge raise so we can have the privilege of overpaying him for 2 additional years. Or by having 3 years of John Collins. I guess there is still time to salvage these moves by making use of their contracts in a trade when they are expiring, but it's not looking good so far.

Even this Lauri contract. It's great to have the peace of mind he is staying here, but they spent 24 million dollars this year to do so. Even for a guy that likes Utah there is still a huge Utah tax to get players to stay here

Actually going out and signing an all-star caliber player like Ingram in 2025 would be amazing.
Click to expand...
This is why I pissed and moaned about Collins. He cost us cap space in three years where we could have done things. Clarkson's deal I understood, but would have been better to let him walk.

It would be nice to clear one or both of those deals and have some space to play with next year.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:

View: https://x.com/Sactown1140/status/1821332251071934935/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1821332251071934935&currentTweetUser=Sactown1140


To Elizah's point that fans/media members of teams are still interested in Collins
Click to expand...

I think there are some situations he works. Kyle is the play by play guy and IDK that he is super clued in... A deal with Sacramento is kinda hard to envision. Not that that is your point. Just saying that particular team would have a hard time making the structure of a deal work.
 
TJ did throw some cold water on the Brandon Ingram stuff in his interview with Spence a couple days ago... also mentioned Super Swaps. He did mention Okoro but I think this is the team and we do a salary dump maybe.
 
Screenshot_20240809-122140-276.png

I mean, this kind of makes sense for both sides?

Collins is way way better than Lyles. They have a 3 man guard rotation of DDR/Fox/Monk. They are going to play Murray a lot at the 3. Huerter was getting benched for them because of defense and he doesn't really make sense on their roster.

Lyles expires after the year and you can just let him ride the pine. You can probably trade Huerter during the season. If not he is easy to trade as an expiring, or maybe you just keep him as a bench shooter? Its not like he will add that many wins.

Seems like the Kings want to push in and this is a way to add talent without paying a big price tag.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think there are some situations he works. Kyle is the play by play guy and IDK that he is super clued in... A deal with Sacramento is kinda hard to envision. Not that that is your point. Just saying that particular team would have a hard time making the structure of a deal work.
Click to expand...
Actually think it's fairly easy to envision given they have matching salary
 
NUMBERICA said:
Interesting

Interesting. Think they might do Huerter and Carter? I can’t think of a package that might work besides that.
Click to expand...
No way in hell they do Carter. Carter is part of the reason they'd trade Huerter in this deal as they have him to replace Huerters minutes when he gets healthy.

For the Jazz you just welcome the fact you don't have to give minutes to a vet and you get off salary quicker. Huerter is also a decent asset
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
View attachment 17012

I mean, this kind of makes sense for both sides?

Collins is way way better than Lyles. They have a 3 man guard rotation of DDR/Fox/Monk. They are going to play Murray a lot at the 3. Huerter was getting benched for them because of defense and he doesn't really make sense on their roster.

Lyles expires after the year and you can just let him ride the pine. You can probably trade Huerter during the season. If not he is easy to trade as an expiring, or maybe you just keep him as a bench shooter? Its not like he will add that many wins.

Seems like the Kings want to push in and this is a way to add talent without paying a big price tag.
Click to expand...
Why does Utah do this? Ainge is gonna need value and there’s really no (talent) value here.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No way in hell they do Carter. Carter is part of the reason they'd trade Huerter in this deal as they have him to replace Huerters minutes when he gets healthy.

For the Jazz you just welcome the fact you don't have to give minutes to a vet and you get off salary quicker. Huerter is also a decent asset
Click to expand...
My sense is Sac has been desperate to get off of Huerter, so I have no idea how he is an asset.

And I mention Carter because Ainge is going to ask for an actual asset, but Sacramento needs to salary match so an old rookie guard that won’t play for six months seems to fit the bill.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top