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I will Venmo someone on the left $20, that will watch this clip and confirm to Stormofwar that this Trump surrogate didn’t not state that a blanket tariffs are a good thing and how to use them.

Just watch and report the details of this clip from the surrogate. What he actually said. I don’t want anyone from the right, so there is no bias. I will Venmo immediately after the report is posted.


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I need info about what car manufacturers, what countries, if it makes sense to tariff everything or use it a different way. Also a let me know if this surrogate is for a blanket 20% on everything or use it strategicly.

I will do it, although I do not consider myself as being on the left, per se, and I don't have time right now, but give me a bit and I will go through it.
 
Before or after the debate? Everything I can find published about this talks about optional buy-backs, and she denied it in the debate. That is the standard Trump followers are using for things like Plan 2025, saying that he denied it and published a different plan so we should ignore that 2025 thing. Same thing would apply here, right?
She one time said she supported mandatory gun buy-backs. So now she can never change her mind on that. Granted she has probably "changed her mind" because analytics tell her it improves her chances of election.

It's a boogeyman. Even if mandatory gun buy-backs was the no. 1 most important thing to her administration it would never happen. Too many Democrat representatives would oppose it, along with pretty much all Republican representatives. It is a complete non-starter.
 
Before or after the debate? Everything I can find published about this talks about optional buy-backs, and she denied it in the debate. That is the standard Trump followers are using for things like Plan 2025, saying that he denied it and published a different plan so we should ignore that 2025 thing. Same thing would apply here, right?
This is her before the debate, her own words in an interview, which the host asks “how mandatory” and she responds “mandatory”.

I don’t know how more clear she can be on this topic. The right is not lying about this, this is her in her own words.

Again why are you changing the subject to Trump. This is a Kamala and her beliefs.
 
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Show me a video with him in public, not 3rd party hearsay, that displays him stating he wants to regulate speech, throw democrats in a reeducation camp, jail people for misinformation or even jail someone who "simply criticizes him". The first thing I will do is I will say I am anti-Trump for his view on this topic. Again, still not voting for him either way.

You never addressed my post. Just changed it to Trump. If you're ok with what Kamala, Tim, Hillary, posters on this Forum and other people on the left to regulate speech, then you should be happy Trump would want to jail people who criticize him. Those are the same ideas coming from Kamala, Tim and Hillary.

I am the opposite of this. I think its a truly short sighted view on the 1st amendment. People not seeing or realizing what would come if that happens.

First you need to tell me how she is going to regulate free speech. What is going to look like?

What if it looks like this: someone posts your address on Twitter and says you are a pedophile. A person shows up to your house and kills your family. The government makes Twitter pay you money for that happening to you.

A girl posts a picture of herself on Instagram showing her new braces. Another poster responds with you look so ugly and stupid and I think you should kill yourself. The government tells Instagram to post a link to the suicide prevention hotline.

The FBI determines that Putin is using an account to post things to intentionally hurt the United States of America. The government tells them social media company about this evidence and asks then to ban the account.


As for trump: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck

Beck said: “Do you regret not locking [Clinton] up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”

Trump said: “The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us.”

Trump literally already tried to withhold money from Ukraine to force Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Biden.

Over the past two weeks, former President Donald Trump has become increasingly explicit in describing plans to use the Department of Justice to prosecute scores of people he has declared corrupt, if he wins in November.

Legal experts said Trump will face obstacles. Judges, prosecutors and juries, for example, could decline to try or convict people if there is scant evidence they committed a crime.

But the experts also said the Supreme Court’s recent immunity decision gives a president the power to order the attorney general to indict any individuals they wish without facing legal consequences themselves.

“Trump has enormous power if he really wants to do it,” said Stephen Gillers, a professor at New York University Law School. “There would be almost no stopping him from obtaining an indictment.”

Last Tuesday, Trump released a book in which he threatened to jail Mark Zuckerberg. Without citing evidence, he accused the Facebook founder of trying to sway the 2020 election and warned he would do so again in 2024.

(That sounds kind of like censoring free speech/social media!!!)

At a Saturday rally, Trump vowed to crack down on corruption in health agencies like the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, again without citing evidence.

Last month, after the Democratic National Convention, Trump reposted artificial intelligence-generated images of his enemies — including Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates — in orange jumpsuits with the caption: “HOW TO ACTUALLY ‘FIX THE SYSTEM.’”



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It seems like The Rapist's endgame is less and less winning the election and more and more ratcheting his believers toward election denial and violence.
 
I will Venmo someone on the left $20, that will watch this clip and confirm to Stormofwar that this Trump surrogate didn’t not state that a blanket tariffs are a good thing and how to use them.

Just watch and report the details of this clip from the surrogate. What he actually said. I don’t want anyone from the right, so there is no bias. I will Venmo immediately after the report is posted.


View: https://x.com/squawkcnbc/status/1835712983713898609?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


I need info about what car manufacturers, what countries, if it makes sense to tariff everything or use it a different way. Also a let me know if this surrogate is for a blanket 20% on everything or use it strategicly.


In a presidential debate that critics said lacked on concrete policy points, one financial issue may have stood out to money-conscious Americans: tariffs.

President Donald Trump doubled down on his plan to install a blanket tariff of up to 20% on all imports, with additional tariffs of 60% to 100% on goods brought in from China. Trump characterized the plan as a way to extract money from rival nations.

“Other countries are going to, finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we’ve done for the world,” he said.

Have a nice day. And, ah, for the record, Trump nuts all his surrogates in this way. It would not be good, no matter how anyone paints it.
 
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She one time said she supported mandatory gun buy-backs. So now she can never change her mind on that. Granted she has probably "changed her mind" because analytics tell her it improves her chances of election.

It's a boogeyman. Even if mandatory gun buy-backs was the no. 1 most important thing to her administration it would never happen. Too many Democrat representatives would oppose it, along with pretty much all Republican representatives. It is a complete non-starter.
One time:


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View: https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1825744537991401712?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


https://x.com/cryptidpolitics/status/1833695769993371820?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ

https://x.com/cryptidpolitics/status/1832851121616142368?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ

https://x.com/katysaccitizen/status/1833697156773138878?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ

Again, just 1 time. This is something she deeply believes in.
 
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This is her before the debate, her own words in an interview, which the host asks “how mandatory” and she responds “mandatory”.

I don’t know how more clear she can be on this topic. The right is not lying about this, this is her in her own words.

Again why are you changing the subject to Trump. This is a Kamala and her beliefs.
I am making a comparison to the other candidate since this is, in the end, a comparison of candidates. No subject changing, but rather filling out context. Speaking of context I found this. Apparently her statements were from 2019. Is she allowed to change her stance on this, as @Sardines alluded to? You said this is one of your big hangups with her. If she publicly disavowed this (and she did) and she published a plan that is not supporting this, is that sufficient to believe her stance has changed? That is where the Trump comparison comes in as that seems to be the standards the right is leaning on to disavow Plan 2025. What's good for the gander....

 
She one time said she supported mandatory gun buy-backs. So now she can never change her mind on that. Granted she has probably "changed her mind" because analytics tell her it improves her chances of election.

It's a boogeyman. Even if mandatory gun buy-backs was the no. 1 most important thing to her administration it would never happen. Too many Democrat representatives would oppose it, along with pretty much all Republican representatives. It is a complete non-starter.
This is the other part of all this. Every presidential election has claims we all know will never come to pass. In fact, iirc, a study was done once like a decade ago, or just after Trump took office, and they looked at presidential candidate claims and actual follow-through on those claims and promises, and found something like over the past 50+ years they do what they say they will do like 15% of the time. Can't find it with a cursory google search, but that was the gist of it. I seem to remember that Obama and Trump were on the low end of that spectrum and something weird like Clinton and Reagan on the high end. Either way, we all know they are blustery now, but there are some mechanisms in place to stop a lot of what they want to do or say they will do.

One thing that is concerning is that one of the major stopping points has traditionally been the supreme court. And now Trump has coopted the court, installing openly corrupt judges that forced through heavily partisan legislation from the bench, and set up Trump for his final act, to take over and attempt to never give up power. We see it in the Project 2025 documents laid out exactly how he could install a dictatorship and at the very least do a ****-ton of damage to the office of the presidency and the highest court system in the process. Just claim everything is an official act and he has more or less carte blanche. Anyone that isn't terrified of that potentiality is blind or corrupted or indoctrinated, or all of the above.
 
I am making a comparison to the other candidate since this is, in the end, a comparison of candidates. No subject changing, but rather filling out context. Speaking of context I found this. Apparently her statements were from 2019. Is she allowed to change her stance on this, as @Sardines alluded to? You said this is one of your big hangups with her. If she publicly disavowed this (and she did) and she published a plan that is not supporting this, is that sufficient to believe her stance has changed? That is where the Trump comparison comes in as that seems to be the standards the right is leaning on to disavow Plan 2025. What's good for the gander....

No, because this has been her view all the way up until the debate, then changes it to sound moderate. You can believe it, that’s fine. I don’t. Again I do not care about Trump. He is not my candidate, I’m not voting for him.

Here is the difference, can you show me video proof, multiple times, that he wants to incorporate Plan 2025 as his full agenda, he loves it, he was apart of it, anything like that?

I show multiple instances that Kamala is for something, yet everyone on the left comes and tries to defend her. Trump doesn’t say anything about plan 2025, yet you tie it to him and say this is him and this is what he believes.

Is it okay for Kamala to change her deeply rooted beliefs in mandatory buybacks just for the debate, but Trump can’t change his mind on Topics? I don’t get the double standard.

This is why I don’t believe you should fully invest in a candidate, it’s hard to have an open mind.
 
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Show me a video with him in public, not 3rd party hearsay, that displays him stating he wants to regulate speech, throw democrats in a reeducation camp, jail people for misinformation or even jail someone who "simply criticizes him". The first thing I will do is I will say I am anti-Trump for his view on this topic. Again, still not voting for him either way.

You never addressed my post. Just changed it to Trump. If you're ok with what Kamala, Tim, Hillary, posters on this Forum and other people on the left to regulate speech, then you should be happy Trump would want to jail people who criticize him. Those are the same ideas coming from Kamala, Tim and Hillary.

I am the opposite of this. I think its a truly short sighted view on the 1st amendment. People not seeing or realizing what would come if that happens.
I don’t know if there’s a way of determining harm that should be curtailed. I know I can’t walk into a theater, yell “fire!”, and people get hurt in a stampede, and I’m not held to account for that free speech.
 
No, because this has been her view all the way up until the debate, then changes it to sound moderate. You can believe it, that’s fine. I don’t. Again I do not care about Trump. He is not my candidate, I’m not voting for him.

Here is the difference, can you show me video proof, multiple times, that he wants to incorporate Plan 2025 as his full agenda, he loves it, he was apart of it, anything like that?

I show multiple instances that Kamala is for something, yet everyone on the left comes and tries to defend her. Trump doesn’t say anything about plan 2025, yet you tie it to him and say this is him and this is what he believes.

Is it okay for Kamala to change her deeply rooted beliefs in mandatory buybacks just for the debate, but Trump can’t change his mind on Topics? I don’t get the double standard.

This is why I don’t believe you should fully invest in a candidate, it’s hard to have an open mind.
For what it is worth, I am not invested in Kamala in the least. I am invested in NeverTrump. I am playing devil's advocate on this topic, and pointing out that politicians change what they say all the time. It is the nature of the beast. Anything to get elected is the mantra of both sides of this thing, and it has been that way, more or less, since at least the Reagan years. Carter and Ford may have been the last 2 presidents who actually got elected on morals and holding to those morals. Everyone since has been on the train of riling up the base to get the vote. Trump touts becoming a dictator to rile up his base, Kamala touts taking all the guns. I guess by this you tacitly would rather have a dictator. Ok then.

But I, for one, in the topic of gun control, I am in the camp that we need to do something besides bury our head in the sand every time someone opens fire in a school. I am tired of the rhetoric that the 2nd amendment is just short of divine scripture and can never be adjusted or regulated, because the founding fathers entirely envisioned semi-auto weapons in schools and just knew that we needed random dudes with hundreds of guns and millions of rounds of ammo to "defend" us against tyranny, and millions of guns on the street and available at every gun show so anyone who felt they needed to shoot up the place had easy access, right. :rolleyes:

That is all simply ******** and anyone who thinks through it even superficially will see it is full on ********. But they don't. Their guns are their God-given religious right to own and hoard and gift to disturbed youngsters for christmas presents or leave unlocked where said youngters have full access. In short, the old mantra of "I would rather see 1000 guilty men go free than send 1 innocent man to prison" can be rewritten as "I would rather see 1000 school-aged children be shot to death than give up even the tiniest bit of my complete and total 2nd amendment religious right". It is ****ing ludicrous and you know it. So, I am digging deeper to see what Kamala really believes, but even if she fully intends on enforcing a forced gun buy-back I realize that 1) it is more than highly unlikely, in fact damn near a certainty, it will not be allowed by congress or the senate and DEFINITELY not by the (right-owned legislating-from-the-bench) supreme court when it is inevitably challenged and 2) because of 1 it is damn near a certainty she will never even attempt anything on that level to begin with, so yes her most recent rhetoric is highly likely to be closer to what she will DO regardless of what she BELIEVES.

But you know what, maybe that is what is needed. What well-regulated militia are we supporting with some individuals having hundreds of guns, so many guns that we are likely to never get them all off the street, and what power exactly are we protecting ourselves against? Do we really think that a bunch of red-necks (me included, I am a gun owner, I love my guns, I keep them locked away and love to go shooting whenever I can) with an armory will be able to stand against the military might of the United States if they think it comes to that? See this is the part that gets skimmed over and ignored by the entire gun lobby. This part is severely out of date for the times. Our founding fathers never envisioned a time when owning guns would be nearly more ubiquitous than owning pets.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

The reason for keeping and bearing arms is to be part of a well-regulated militia. So why don't we just do that? Make it so that in order to own any guns, you have to apply to a well-regulated militia, with standards of admittance such as no felonies, no violent crimes and a mental health evaluation, etc., then anyone who passes muster can get a gun. Make it like the military reservists, they have to go through exercises and training once a month, be trained in the proper use and storage of guns, and be subject to a bi-annual re-certification process including physical inspection of their home or wherever they keep their guns, including providing a list to the militia to ensure everything is on the up and up, all from an independent non-partisan body. Can we get behind that?

But the reason to keep and bear arms is not "muh rites". It just isn't.

So yeah. I fully admit it sounds like she is in favor of a forced buy-back. I will give it to you and admit she is lying her ****ing *** off about it, that everything she has said since the debate is full bull-**** and she intends on day 1 signing that executive order. Yep. And if that is enough to scare you into not voting for her, then I hope you can read about the next school shooting with a clear conscience and accept that the price of our unlimited and religious right of keeping and bearing arms is around 1,000 dead children annually. So maybe her plan gets nixed, but it is enough to prompt a REAL and HONEST discussion around gun control, that actually nets something real. Maybe that is worth the fight.

And what is the alternative? Is it worth more dead kids for you to cast your vote into the ether?

I guess it is.





Just note, by no stretch of the imagination am I of the delusion we can actually fix the gun problem, and most definitely not by just electing Harris, but we have to ****ing try. At least ****ing try. And we know Trump will never have that on his agenda. But it needs to be part of the agenda. Otherwise we all just have to accept that we are sacrificing thousands of kids on the Altar of the Holy Worship of Guns.
 

The trump effect. He set out to make Americans distrust and not accept election results. He did a good job of that.

A new report shows that 46 percent of Republicans would not accept the election results as legitimate if the Democratic nominee wins, and 14 percent of all Republican respondents said they would take action to overturn the outcome if the opposing party won.



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Trump's inner circle - who are now felons:

Alan Weiselberg

Michael Cohen

Roger Stone

Rick Gates

Sam Patten

Paul Manafort

George Papadopolous

Michael Flynn

Kenneth Chesebro

Jenna Ellis

Steve Bannon

Peter Navarro* (honorable mention as he is only in jail for misdemeanors he got working for Trump, not felonies)

How many people from the Bush1, Bush2, Clinton, Obama and Biden inner circles got felonies for work they did for those Presidents? Was it ZERO? It wasn't ZERO, was it?

CORRUPT TRUMP LAWYERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LAW LICENSES, BEEN DIS-BARRED OR ARE FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR WORK THEY DID DIRECTLY FOR TRUMP

Jenna Ellis

Michael Cohen

Jeffrey Clark

John Eastman

Sydney Powell

Alex Van Der Zwaan

Kenneth Chesebro

Ray Smith

Rudy Giuliani

Christina Bobb

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys





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Trump's inner circle - who are now felons:

Alan Weiselberg

Michael Cohen

Roger Stone

Rick Gates

Sam Patten

Paul Manafort

George Papadopolous

Michael Flynn

Kenneth Chesebro

Jenna Ellis

Steve Bannon

Peter Navarro* (honorable mention as he is only in jail for misdemeanors he got working for Trump, not felonies)

How many people from the Bush1, Bush2, Clinton, Obama and Biden inner circles got felonies for work they did for those Presidents? Was it ZERO? It wasn't ZERO, was it?

CORRUPT TRUMP LAWYERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LAW LICENSES, BEEN DIS-BARRED OR ARE FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR WORK THEY DID DIRECTLY FOR TRUMP

Jenna Ellis

Michael Cohen

Jeffrey Clark

John Eastman

Sydney Powell

Alex Van Der Zwaan

Kenneth Chesebro

Ray Smith

Rudy Giuliani

Christina Bobb

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys





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Either Trump is the unluckiest person on the planet in terms of hiring ethical people, or...
 
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