steelers6timechamps
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mr gm borat: iam shure glad you are not the jazz gm you would never make the playoffs. you have a lot of good points but you fall short of the knowledge it takes to be a gm.
Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)
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carolinajazz
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...so just go ahead and slit your throat and be done with it!!!
As much as I love Wes we have to let him walk.
What scares me more than anything is the years on that deal. Haven't we learning anything?
Never sign a player to a long term deal based on ONE good year.
Good luck in Portland Wes. You are a good guy, and were a pleasure to watch last year.
What scares me more than anything is the years on that deal. Haven't we learning anything?
Never sign a player to a long term deal based on ONE good year.
Good luck in Portland Wes. You are a good guy, and were a pleasure to watch last year.
Hopper
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gregbroncs said:
Just to make it clear what Siler is reporting:
"From the start of free agency, Matthews’ camp was believed to have told the Jazz it would take a full midlevel deal to re-sign him. With that as the only option they were presented, the Jazz suggested Matthews find an offer elsewhere."
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/49907340-87/jazz-matthews-offer-williams.html.csp
Of course everyone here, except Borat, who suggested that if HE were GM, instead of KOC, he would have "locked up" Matthews for $16 million in the first moments of free agency, already knew that, I spoze.
Yes, if we are told he wants midlevel at the start of free agency, the only possible move is to tell him to get it elsewhere, watch other SG FA leave, and then brace yourself for 25 mil offer sheet.
Hopper
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Say what? If Matthews had been prepared to take 25 million, as falsely reported, then he would have. He didn't.
Of course, had he done so, the Jazz could have matched, as they still can.
DutchJazzer
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so no negotiations. call went like this
wes agent: we like full mle
jaz frontoffice:Well, go see if you can get that, then.
what kinde negotiation is that
i bet after inviting wes and his agent to the jazz office
and sit down and talk
explain why they want him but cant give full mle(needing a big man etc), whatever give some tea and cookies talk some more
offe rup long term at lower salary etc etc. jazz would have gotten a better deal.
BUT no it takes too much work to do it the right way. too much energy. so screw you jazz front office
Jazz thought he would because they were bracing themselves for that sum, according to Siler. No one expected offer would come so high. Jazz were just out of the loop on this one. They told Wes to look for offer from other teams from the start and that was the end of it.
Hopper
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A: I'll sell ya my car for $10,000
B: I'll give ya $9,000
A: I done tole ya, I won't take less than 10,000
B. Tellya what, I'll give ya $9500, how's that?
A. Are you DEAF!? I said $10,000, not a penny less
B: I give ya $9900
A: You are DEAF. Good-bye.
Who's "not negotiating" here, A or B?
B: I'll give ya $9,000
A: I done tole ya, I won't take less than 10,000
B. Tellya what, I'll give ya $9500, how's that?
A. Are you DEAF!? I said $10,000, not a penny less
B: I give ya $9900
A: You are DEAF. Good-bye.
Who's "not negotiating" here, A or B?
Hopper
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Who's "no one," here? YOU? Certainly it wasn't Matthews and his agent. Certainly it wasn't Portland.
DutchJazzer
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a is not giving incentives.
soemthings like you get a singing bonus or a eraly player termination offer.
incentives.
like if i take the upgraded rims off the car and put the custom you can have it for 9500.
your not a jew so you wont understand
More like
A: I'll sell ya my car for $10,000
B: OK, go sell to someone else, then come to me to see if I will match. Don't come back with the offer until the weekend is over though - I will look at it Monday if you have one.
memo is money
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Is Matthews worth full MLE? Simple question.
Hopper
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If Matthews and his agent, in collusion with Portland, were simply trying to force the Jazz to pay more than the Jazz would willingly offer, then they would BOTH expect the offer from Portland to be the absolute max.
On the other hand, if Matthews and his agent were willing to take less from the Jazz, they could have told them so--apparently they weren't.
Lastly, if Portland's intentions were to get Matthews committed for the best possible price, irrespective of the Jazz, then I guess they got his best possible price--i.e., the absolute max.
In short, if Matthews wasn't dead serious about his demand for the max, he simply could have given the Jazz his lowest offer (for them, alone) BEFORE he signed the Portland deal. He was dead serious as he previously said (no hometown discount), and he didn't offer to take less.
But mebbe if KOC had got down on his knees and BEGGED, as the entire City of Cleveland did with Lebron....
That your brilliant idea, Borat? Dutch?
On the other hand, if Matthews and his agent were willing to take less from the Jazz, they could have told them so--apparently they weren't.
Lastly, if Portland's intentions were to get Matthews committed for the best possible price, irrespective of the Jazz, then I guess they got his best possible price--i.e., the absolute max.
In short, if Matthews wasn't dead serious about his demand for the max, he simply could have given the Jazz his lowest offer (for them, alone) BEFORE he signed the Portland deal. He was dead serious as he previously said (no hometown discount), and he didn't offer to take less.
But mebbe if KOC had got down on his knees and BEGGED, as the entire City of Cleveland did with Lebron....
That your brilliant idea, Borat? Dutch?
A is the one not negotiating and represents Matthews. You're an idiot.
Not mine. Jazz were bracing themselves for 25 mil offer. So, obviously they thought that's what the offer would be, but never made it themselves, hence opening up to a toxic offer. That showed me they really have not been negotiating but told Wes to just look for an offer, as was reported. Basically not being proactive, which I thought might cost us Wes (when 25 mil was reported). Now, however, because Porty's offer was so high, the fact we were not proactive turned out to be a moot point. Well, maybe we would not have let Korver go, if we were proactive from the beginning, but definitely I am not naive enough to think we would be able to keep Wes in this situation.
vslice02
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Jazz player is free agent. Losing said player will hurt team, but team has limited money to spend to resign player. Player gets bloated contract for far more than he is worth. Whether it be Boozer or Matthews, in both cases the Jazz will let them walk.
No way Matthews is worth this much, don't forget he's a 4-year college player who will be 24 by the middle of next year. The chances that he's going to continue to substantially improve beyond next season is pretty small. I predict his production outside Utah mirrors that of Shandon Anderson.
No way Matthews is worth this much, don't forget he's a 4-year college player who will be 24 by the middle of next year. The chances that he's going to continue to substantially improve beyond next season is pretty small. I predict his production outside Utah mirrors that of Shandon Anderson.
Hopper
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You can't have it BOTH ways, Borat, sorry. On the one hand you're suggesting that IF ONLY the Jazz had offered $25 million (which, by the way, you previously insisted they should not do, so really, you want to have it more than just *two* ways), Matthews would have taken it (because, since we didn't, we "opened up a toxic offer," which opening you presumably claim would have been "closed" if only we had offered $25 million).
In the next breath, you claim to realize that offering $25 million wouldn't have made any difference. Which is it, and what, exactly, did the Jazz do wrong by not making a new offer to Matthews every minute?
As always, your reasoning is incoherent and self-contradictory, and the primary motivation for making the foolish assertions you do appears to merely be a desperate attempt to convince yourself that you are right, and have been all along, while the stupid Jazz have been consistently wrong.
People here have repeatedly pointed the flaws in your thinking out to you, but nuthin will deter you. You continue to make an absolute fool out of yourself.
As good ole Honest Abe done said once: "Better to keep your sorry mouth shut, and appear a fool, than you open your yap and prove it."
Marty McFly
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My source has told me the Jazz have 0 intention of matching and are going to wait until the last second just to tie up Portland's cap space, like we did with Millsap.