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OK perfect. You say the downward trend is fake because the numbers are intentionally lowballed. Yet, this is the norm for this measurement since it's inception. That means downward trends cannot be caused by the same manipulation that is used as standard for this measurement. Trends are still trends and must represent a real world change.

Thanks for playing.
I said it has always been subject to manipulations, not that the degree of manipulation has been consistent. When Biden assumed the role of chief executive in 2021, the manipulation of UCR went to a whole new level. The number of law enforcement agencies not included in the UCR was more than double what it was before, and greater than at any other point in recent history. I'm doubting it was pure coincidence that among those newly omitted from the UCR were the NYPD, the LAPD, and many of the largest agencies in the country which happened to be dealing with the post-COVID crime spike tied to the 'defund the police' movement which was captured in the NVCS data.

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I read enough to recognize propaganda, and I try to reply to bring facts to the table. How many here will honestly admit that they knew the UCR was only a subset of inconsistent contributions, or even that the FBI had two independents sets of statistics for crime?
 
So you are saying this is true?:
What I'm saying is we have two sets of statistics with diverging pictures. I don't know which, if either them are the true picture, but I know better than to call one of them "misinformation" based on nothing but it conflicting with what I want to believe is true or who repeated the findings. If a thing is fake, then show me how it is fake. Don't just say that Trump said the thing so it has to be lies.
 
What I'm saying is we have two sets of statistics with diverging pictures. I don't know which, if either them are the true picture, but I know better than to call one of them "misinformation" based on nothing but it conflicting with what I want to believe is true or who repeated the findings. If a thing is fake, then show me how it is fake. Don't just say that Trump said the thing so it has to be lies.
One of them is based on data. Data that you think is not factual but data none the less.

The other is based on pulling something out of his ***.

You see them as the same thing. You are the problem.

You think that "you can't walk to the store to get a loaf of bread without getting raped or shot or mugged" is a statistic apparently.

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Both the UCR and NVCS are based on data. Neither are pulled out of anyone's backside.
“You can’t walk across the street to get a loaf of bread. You get shot, you get mugged, you get raped, you get whatever it may be and you’ve seen it and I’ve seen it.” isn't data. It's a statement made by trump. He didn't use data to form that statement. He pulled it from his ***.

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It's a statement made by trump.
It is hyperbole, and intended to be taken as such. No one thinks that every crossing of a street in America has a 100% rate of being raped, robbed, and killed. No one thinks America lost almost all of its population yesterday to street crossings. It is hyperbole. If fact-checking hyperbole is all you've got then you may what to consider switching your vote.
 
It is hyperbole, and intended to be taken as such. No one thinks that every crossing of a street in America has a 100% rate of being raped, robbed, and killed. No one thinks America lost almost all of its population yesterday to street crossings. It is hyperbole. If fact-checking hyperbole is all you've got then you may what to consider switching your vote.
Why would that make me switch my vote?
So you think I should vote for the candidate who is extremely prone to hyperbole? Strange take.

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Worked for others in their time. And Trump has been practicing Strongman-speak for a long time.

“he and his campaign team believe that by using the tactics of the 1930s, they can win.”


His talk of mass deportation is equally calculating. When he suggests that he would target both legal and illegal immigrants, or use the military arbitrarily against U.S. citizens, he does so knowing that past dictatorships have used public displays of violence to build popular support. By calling for mass violence, he hints at his admiration for these dictatorships but also demonstrates disdain for the rule of law and prepares his followers to accept the idea that his regime could, like its predecessors, break the law with impunity.

These are not jokes, and Trump is not laughing. Nor are the people around him. Delegates at the Republican National Convention held up prefabricatedsigns: mass deportation now. Just this week, when Trump was swaying to music at a surreal rally, he did so in front of a huge slogan: trump was right about everything. This is language borrowed directly from Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist. Soon after the rally, the scholar Ruth Ben-Ghiat posted a photograph of a building in Mussolini’s Italy displaying his slogan: mussolini is always right.

These phrases have not been put on posters and banners at random in the final weeks of an American election season. With less than three weeks left to go, most candidates would be fighting for the middle ground, for the swing voters. Trump is doing the exact opposite. Why? There can be only one answer: because he and his campaign team believe that by using the tactics of the 1930s, they can win. The deliberate dehumanization of whole groups of people; the references to police, to violence, to the “bloodbath” that Trump has said will unfold if he doesn’t win; the cultivation of hatred not only against immigrants but also against political opponents—none of this has been used successfully in modern American politics.

But neither has this rhetoric been tried in modern American politics. Several generations of American politicians have assumed that American voters, most of whom learned to pledge allegiance to the flag in school, grew up with the rule of law, and have never experienced occupation or invasion, would be resistant to this kind of language and imagery. Trump is gambling—knowingly and cynically—that we are not.
 
Why would that make me switch my vote?
So you think I should vote for the candidate who is extremely prone to hyperbole? Strange take.

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Plus a hyperbolic lie is just an exaggerated lie. Hyperbole is used to make or stress a point about reality. It makes no point when it just reinforces a lie. And frankly, it's just a lie.
 
Plus a hyperbolic lie is just an exaggerated lie. Hyperbole is used to make or stress a point about reality. It makes no point when it just reinforces a lie. And frankly, it's just a lie.

Its a new McCarthyism, the difference is that Trump is post-truth, McCarthy was exposed when members of the media had the courage to call him out and disinfect his sickness with the light of truth. Trump is impervious to truth and facts. Its remarkable and frightening.
 
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