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Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)

theonlyone said:
This suggests to me that the Jazz are not going to match.
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They may or may not match, but this doesn't suggest that to me. If he wanted the max, and could actually get that offer, they could always match, so there was no reason to offer the max up front, whether they intended to match, or not.
 
This is reminding me more and more of Shandon Anderson. Jazz gave him a chance when nobody else would. Jazz gave him chances to play and put him in a system where he thrived. He kept saying how much he appreciated the jazz for doing that. Then when he had the chance, he bolted to Houston for the money. His own brother told him that it would be best if he stayed with the jazz. But somehow, he got an ego, thought he had earned everything the jazz gave him, believed that he was a legit player in the league.
Well, he got his money and had a forgetable career.

I see this happening with Wesley. When this deal is over, he'll be out of the league (unless the jazz match). Going to Porty is career purgatory and nobody will want a 29 year old guy who had one sort of decent year of promise and then spent 5 years as an 11th man.
 
craig2112 said:
This is reminding me more and more of Shandon Anderson. Jazz gave him a chance when nobody else would. Jazz gave him chances to play and put him in a system where he thrived. He kept saying how much he appreciated the jazz for doing that. Then when he had the chance, he bolted to Houston for the money. His own brother told him that it would be best if he stayed with the jazz. But somehow, he got an ego, thought he had earned everything the jazz gave him, believed that he was a legit player in the league.
Well, he got his money and had a forgetable career.

I see this happening with Wesley. When this deal is over, he'll be out of the league (unless the jazz match). Going to Porty is career purgatory and nobody will want a 29 year old guy who had one sort of decent year of promise and then spent 5 years as an 11th man.
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While I agree with you, if you are 23 years old looking at 35 million in the face are you really thinking ahead that far?
 
I agree, Craig. I think that, perhaps due to listening to the greed of his agent, Matthews may well have overplayed his hand. If the Jazz don't match, he is leaving a system that he can thrive in, and one where he KNOWS he'll be a starter (at least for now). Both the Jazz AND Matthews gained from being here, but I suspect that the Jazz can more easily replace Matthews on the team than Matthews can find a team which will replace the role he had with the Jazz.
 
Borat, you need to realize that Matthews wasn't going to sign for less than the max he could, whether or not the Jazz offered anything or not. It's obvious Wesley's camp came in pretty much demanding the max. Jazz refused to go at the max, and Wesley found it. Nothing else matters now.
 
very well put. +1
Hopper said:
If Matthews and his agent, in collusion with Portland, were simply trying to force the Jazz to pay more than the Jazz would willingly offer, then they would BOTH expect the offer from Portland to be the absolute max.

On the other hand, if Matthews and his agent were willing to take less from the Jazz, they could have told them so--apparently they weren't.

Lastly, if Portland's intentions were to get Matthews committed for the best possible price, irrespective of the Jazz, then I guess they got his best possible price--i.e., the absolute max.

In short, if Matthews wasn't dead serious about his demand for the max, he simply could have given the Jazz his lowest offer (for them, alone) BEFORE he signed the Portland deal. He was dead serious as he previously said (no hometown discount), and he didn't offer to take less.

But mebbe if KOC had got down on his knees and BEGGED, as the entire City of Cleveland did with Lebron....

That your brilliant idea, Borat? Dutch?
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Jazz4ever said:
While I agree with you, if you are 23 years old looking at 35 million in the face are you really thinking ahead that far?
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$35 million, $30 million, what's the real difference? If you can get that money at age 24, and aren't a complete fool, you'll never have to work another day in your life after your contract is up.

The people who want to blame the Jazz here should realize that this was entirely in Matthews control, not the Jazz's. Had he been so inclined, Matthews could have, at ANY time, simply told his agent:

"Ya know what? I hate to leave my friends, and my role with the Jazz. Why doncha go see if they'll offer me $30 million before I sign this deal, which I'm afraid they won't match?"

On the other hand, who knows? Matthews coulda been tellin his agent: "I wouldn't want to go back to Utah for $15 million a year. Just get me out of there, if you possibly can."
 
Borat said:
Not mine. Jazz were bracing themselves for 25 mil offer. So, obviously they thought that's what the offer would be, but never made it themselves, hence opening up to a toxic offer. That showed me they really have not been negotiating but told Wes to just look for an offer, as was reported. Basically not being proactive, which I thought might cost us Wes (when 25 mil was reported). Now, however, because Porty's offer was so high, the fact we were not proactive turned out to be a moot point. Well, maybe we would not have let Korver go, if we were proactive from the beginning, but definitely I am not naive enough to think we would be able to keep Wes in this situation.
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Who says they were bracing for a 25 M contract. Many feared a full max would be out there once the playoffs finished. Many HOPED for a partial MLE would be enough, I was not one of them. The Jazz were "bracing" for a full MLE. the best case scenario was a 25 M offer unfortunately the well anticipated worst case scenerio came to pass. The Jazz know exactly what their plan is, although we may not.
 
theonlyone said:
This suggests to me that the Jazz are not going to match.
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Although I said otherwise before, the more I think about it, the more I think you could be right.

To me, it would only make sense that Matthews would give the Jazz one last ultimatum, at least if he wanted to be here. They probably gave him their absolute best offer, and it didn't suit him, so he signed with Portland. If he doesn't wanna be here, the Jazz probably don't want to "force" him to be, just because they have that right.
 
At what point is it enough? A few years ago, the jazz gave Gira a 4 years 16 mil deal. He was happy when he signed it. Now, a one year player like Mathews finds that insulting.
Every player wants their money. Boozer certainly does. Deron certaily did. Chris Paul certainly did. Now they are all mitching and boaning about the fact that their teams wont' (can't) go out and get them some help and they want to bolt and go play for the lakers. First they want to make their money.

Every time I hear a player say "It's a business" I want to yell back "THEN STOP COMPLAINING!"

Jazz were stuck this year. There really wasn't much they could do. But Boozer, Korver, and Wes are not the first players to leave the jazz to get more money. Most of the other players went on to obscurity while the jazz kept on being successful.
 
Then again, if you're an agent, you can always play one side against another, that's just business. But you can't play both sides, or your rep will suffer badly, and no one will wanna do bidnizz with ya in the future.

If Portland and Matthews were merely colluding, in the hope that the Jazz would match, there had to be a gentlemen's agreement between them that Matthews would not foil all their efforts by going to the Jazz and offering to take less after Portland offered the max. If not, Portland wouldn't bother with the whole charade, ya know?
 
Hopper said:
Although I said otherwise before, the more I think about it, the more I think you could be right.

To me, it would only make sense that Matthews would give the Jazz one last ultimatum, at least if he wanted to be here. They probably gave him their absolute best offer, and it didn't suit him, so he signed with Portland. If he doesn't wanna be here, the Jazz probably don't want to "force" him to be, just because they have that right.
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I think this is the scenario that played out as well. Also, the Jazz are in the position to say "come back with us for a starting role and $28.756453M over 5 years" then wait, wait, wait, and if Wes says, no i'll take the 35 at Portland, then the Jazz still have 1 week to think it through -

Often we hear a snippet of the 'negotiations' in the paper and then assume 'that's all we did.' (Like 'we'll think on it Monday' - which is other words for 'no comment' as i hear it.)
 
ShaggyReAL said:
I only need one, I'm american. :) It's not my fault yall want to be like us.
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really why would i wanna be a american.
to rape mexicans? be all hgh and mighty and call it "patriotism"(nazi means patriotism:P)

note to you english wasnt "invented" by the smug americans;).

maybe i wanna be like the british
or jamaicans for that matter.
 
Harcher said:
I think this is the scenario that played out as well. Also, the Jazz are in the position to say "come back with us for a starting role and $28.756453M over 5 years" then wait, wait, wait, and if Wes says, no i'll take the 35 at Portland, then the Jazz still have 1 week to think it through -

Often we hear a snippet of the 'negotiations' in the paper and then assume 'that's all we did.' (Like 'we'll think on it Monday' - which is other words for 'no comment' as i hear it.)
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yeah its possible we only heard a snippet but why does this keep happening to UTAH?

3 years in a row.

i might be mistaken bt has it happened to any other team the last 3-4 years
 
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